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FDP Forum / Fender Custom Shop / Poll: Relic vs. Closet Classic vs. NOS

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Die Hard Hendrix
Jun 29th, 2004 07:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

While I don't own any CS guitars (yet). I'd get NOS. I don't see the point in buying a guitar thats dinged up, unless its cheaper. I mean if I were to buy a CS for display I think I might get a Closet or a lighter relic just for looks but I'd rather bang up a playing guitar myself.

Tyrone Shuz
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Jun 29th, 2004 07:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

From the TM's I've played, as a group, the Relics have sounded the best to me. That's not to say that there's no variance, and that ALL relics are better than CC and NOS, but three TM's have taken my breath away, one of which I own, and all were relics.

Blue Tex
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West Texas

When in doubt, tell the truth...
Jun 30th, 2004 08:30 AM   Edit   Profile  

Mine's a '56 Closet Classic.



Jun 30th, 2004 08:40 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have my moods, somedays I enjoy the NOS, somedays the CC, and others the relic. I think they're all fine guitars.

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Calgary, AB Canada

Too many amps? Too many amps my ass!!!
Jun 30th, 2004 08:51 AM   Edit   Profile  

Relic or Closet Classic. The checking seems to open the guitar up and lets it real sing and breath. I find NOS too tight.

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Transcend Time
Jun 30th, 2004 12:14 PM   Edit   Profile  

NOS. I wouldn't mind a CC, but my reasoning for preferring NOS is that it will wear with MY playing style, amount of use, etc. This way, in 10-20 years, this guitar will truely be mine. In this respect, CC or Relic are somewhat like used guitars (but this doesn't make them bad by any means).

I am not personally shy to play the heck out of my NOS '60 strat, because I do not value this as a prized monetary possession, but as a truely great sounding guitar to enjoy. It easily sounds better than any other strat that I've ever played.

The checking ,etc. are cool on the CC and Relics, but what will happen in 30 years? Will these strats have a "doubly aged" look to them? I guess I just prefer to have a strat that was built as is in 1960 and play it and watch it age.


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Jul 5th, 2004 01:56 AM   Edit   Profile  

NOS all the way. It's my guitar, I like it brand new and I'll make it mine over the years. Don't need somebody to pretend to beat it up for me.

I wouldn't worry about the difference in tone, my '56 Time Machine NOS has tone for DAYS. It's all in the fingers anyway.

Actually, all the Custom Shop guitars I've played were great, NOS, CC, Relic - so not to insult anybody's guitar!

Just my preference.... NOS!

In the end, the mojo is the joining of you and the guitar no matter whether it looks like it got danced on in 1962 or made yesterday.

I do love the smell of the nitro paint on the Time Machines. I lucked out and found a production line guitar in Candy Apple Red with some birdseye in the neck too.

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Jul 5th, 2004 11:32 AM   Edit   Profile  

I've played all three and have to say the Relic sounded best.

I don't know if it's true but I was told that the process they use to relic the pickups gives it a better tone than the others. And this is only done with the Relic strats.



Jul 6th, 2004 03:08 AM   Edit   Profile  

To be honest I "was" not a big fan of the Relics at first and wanted a TM CS guitar. I tried out several guitars including NOS, CC and Relics. It came down to 2 Daphne Blue 60 Strats that had the best sounds and overall just felt right. I was with a friend that only likes the NOS guitars and was encouraging me to get that one. However, even though these 2 guitars were right up there, the Relic was just sooooo good and I had to get it. That's just what I did and I love my Relic!!!!!!!!!!




Jul 7th, 2004 02:37 AM   Edit   Profile  

"With a Relic you've no problem to play it in any condition; with a NOS you are very careful to handle it and play it, almost shy."

If you like the relic look, then why be overly careful with an NOS? You want it to get its "beauty marks."

I'd choose the guitar that sounded and played the best rather than go by looks.



Southern by birth, Virginian by grace
Jul 13th, 2004 04:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've had an NOS 56 Strat and an NOS Nocaster. I now own a 61 Relic Strat and a Relic Nocaster. To me no other way to go but relics. More mojo, vintage thing going or something. I also think that the relics have their own individual thing going on, all kinda dinged and worn differently. Just cool guitars.

(This message was last edited by tuna at 04:51 PM, Jul 13th, 2004)

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SF Bay Area, CA

Jul 20th, 2004 07:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

Closet classic - just looks "right" to me.

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Las Vegas, NV

Champion of all things Fender!
Jul 27th, 2004 08:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've got nothing against Relics or the CC's, I've played some that were just plain great guitars, but the faux relicing just isn't my cup of tea. I can certainly understand why people buy them, they are cool in that they replicate the vibe of vintage guitars and not having to worry about that first ding would be nice, but I just don't want to pay several hundred dollars extra for someone to beat up and oxidize a perfectly good guitar. It's kinda sad in some ways, I mean, this beautiful new guitar getting hammered with screwdrivers, keys, etc.


USA/Boulder Colorado

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Jul 29th, 2004 01:23 AM   Edit   Profile  

I cant say that I like relics in general, but my favorite guitar is a used black stratocaster relic. The tone is so perfect Im not even going to shield the guitar, or even turn a screw on the guitar it sounds so good.

I live near Wildwood and get to play lots of different time machines. What is amazing is the different personalities of each of the guitars. I think I prefer the NOS, but my ear always seems to pick the relic.

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Lompoc, CA

"Nice as a Fool Can Be"
Jul 29th, 2004 11:45 AM   Edit   Profile  

Could care less what ya call em...I buy based on tone. No preference to how they look.

Public Defender


Jan 24th, 2014 07:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

store your NOS in the basement and the hardware will age. It will happen quickly.

This is not legal advice.


Cypress, TX

I Dare To Be Different
Jan 26th, 2014 10:16 PM   Edit   Profile  

gordie - "NOS all the way. It's my guitar, I like it brand new and I'll make it mine over the years. Don't need somebody to pretend to beat it up for me."

Thenirv - "... but the faux relicing just isn't my cup of tea. ..."

Without a doubt NOS. I basically want to have any relicing on my Strat and/or Tele to be of my own accord.



Jan 28th, 2014 01:12 PM   Edit   Profile  

I unintentionally transformed my TM 56 Strat from NOS to CC in a matter of hours. I accidently left it outside on the front step during practice one night (was playing my Tele). It was -30 outside. Needless to say the finish severely checked, but I swear that it sounds better since it's deep-freeze. So I have to believe that there is something to the fact that people think the Relics sound better.

My preference would have been for CC finish, but not much selection in these parts, so I ended up with NOS guitars. The Strat was used and an incredible deal.

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Feb 5th, 2014 11:20 AM   Edit   Profile  


The relic'ing plus the usual Fender lack of neck pitch suits the lazy sod in me that likes to be able to just leave a guitar on the concrete steps when having a summer outdoor strum.

I inadvertently left my Nocaster relic on top of an ashtray (on the aforementioned steps) without realising that there was still a smoking butt in it.

Genuine cigarette burns - how rock'n'roll and probably now impossible to replicate due to H&S regs.

Apart from that I do like the look and feel.



A Thing of Beauty is a Joy Forever.
Jan 23rd, 2016 04:42 PM   Edit   Profile  

I take care of my instruments, so never got the relic thing, until I actually gave them a chance and played them. I cannot speak for the ones made after early 2014, but the ones I have played and then bought from 2004 to 2014 feel like vintage guitars that have been to a good luthier, refretted and properly set up. If they were actually vintage strats and teles, I would not play them, but as relics, I very much enjoy playing them.

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