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6G6
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Texas

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Apr 21st, 2009 06:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey Charlie, now you gotta try a 58 Beta.
Sometimes it seems like everything has "just one more step".

Charlie Macon
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Texas

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Apr 22nd, 2009 12:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Uh oh....what the heck is a 58 Beta? I'll Google it when I can muster the courage.

johnny1111
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White Bear Lake, MN

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Apr 27th, 2009 01:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The SM57 for miking instruments, and the SM58 for miking vocals. I like the regular SM58 better than the Beta version.

fendrguitplayr
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Greater Boston

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May 3rd, 2009 08:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've used the 57 for vocals, but prefer using a 58 and I like it better than the beta series too.

Also have a Rode M1 that I would say matches the 58 for sound and maybe even a little better for durability.

berndog
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May 5th, 2009 08:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a Beta58 and a Beta57. I find the 58 Better for vocals. The 57 sounds flatter to me. I tried both but keep coming back to the 58 for its clarity and sound.

Gaukdawg

Ohio

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Dec 30th, 2009 10:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a DVD of a Tom Petty concert and they are using 57s for the vocals for everyone. It sounded pretty good to me.

3putt
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Dec 30th, 2009 10:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I also like the vocal tone of a 57 but it's directional....my experience is that you need to stay directly in front in front of it to be effective.



DrKev

Irishman in Paris

Forget Tone - go with Note Choice
Jan 11th, 2010 05:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I like 57s for vocals but they are dangerous for somebody with poor mic technique or who moves off axis a lot.

Voice should still be treated as an instrument though. It needs it's own frequency space in the mix. EQ is very important and to some degree almost any half decent mic can work well if EQ'd right, particularly live. Just don't go for a sound that would be better suited to an FM radio talk show!

johnwilliamhunter

Australia

Jan 18th, 2010 08:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I use a 57 for vocals, as it's the only mic I have. Works fine for me, but as people have said, it is quite directional and dynamic, have to keep your mouth right in front of it and try not to change the distance, and will pick up breathing if you're not careful.

Fenderleadaholic

South of TN

Greg
Oct 12th, 2010 10:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

all I can say sometimes I use a 57 and other times a 58 all I can say is one word ..BETA ...that makes so much difference ....

mick decibel

White Salmon, WA

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Dec 29th, 2010 12:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey Crispy...how's it going?

I just got a SM58 for Christmas... (how'd Ms. Decibel know that's what I wanted?)

The mic sounds great, but it doesn't do much for making me sing on tune. Anything I can buy for that?

Florida Mike
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Apr 9th, 2012 08:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have all three...I like the SM57 for micing cabs, OR for a drummers vocal mic if he knows how to use the proximity ---the drummer can be a bit off the mic---the SM58 is always great but the Beta 58 is smoking good for vocals live IMHO...

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

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Apr 20th, 2012 10:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I used a 57 for decades. One learns to sing without the screen by muting transients and sibilance. You can't pop your "P's" or sing your "S's" loud.

I did use a windscreen outside though. Wind noise is a problem.

mr51

USA

May 8th, 2012 06:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I like the sound of the 57 better for my vocals. Yeah, use it if you like it. I know Tom Petty uses a 57 as well as several other pros.

mr51

USA

Aug 31st, 2012 07:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I like the 57. I sing off mic a lot. And the 57 allows me to control my dynamics (louder and softer) better than the 58.

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

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Mar 27th, 2013 11:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The frequency responses of a 57 and 58 are remarkably similar. However, the windscreen of the 58 prevents your mouth from getting right on top of the cartridge. You can get your lips closer to the actual mic cartridge in the 57. With a windscreen on a 57, the similarities will be greater.

FWIW, Radio Shack sold a mic (and still may) that is made by Shure and is quite close to a 58 (might be more like a 48.) It was a great mic. I also have a RS Shure built condenser mic that is still a favorite of mine.

I often use a beta 57, and bought a hypercardoid Neo RS mic that had similar specs. It was thinner and less present than the Beta 57, but when I took the windscreen off, I saw why. The cartridge was just too far from the end of the screen. I modded it, moving the cartridge up close to the screen, and now they sound alike.

I do like the Beta 57 better than a Beta 58, and I like it a little better than a 57.

LeonB
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Dec 28th, 2013 06:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Not exactly an update, but,

Seems to me many years ago Guitar Player,or some music mag I got at the time, had an article about the Deads sound system.

The thing that sticks in my mind is that for vocals they used stacked 57s.

Each vocalist had 2 57s taped together one on top of the other with the capsules aligned. The mics were hooked up with a cable that put the mics out of phase to kill feedback, and reduce bleedover.

You sang into one, and the phasing killed all the extraneous sound that arrived equally at both mics.

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

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Apr 10th, 2015 02:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The mics were actually not aligned but staggered a little.

Although this did work, the Dead didn't stick with this very long. Feedback killing devices, real time analyzers, 32 band eq and parametric eq's soon took over.

Perhaps the effect the phase situation had on vocals was the reason they abandoned it.

The more vocals that made it into the out of phase mic, the more the vocals were cancelled, or thinned out. Back off the main mic a little and the tone went to crap. Even under ideal circumstances, there is some vocal bleed into the cancelling mic, along with the tonal changes.

I tried this technique back in the 80's but didn't like it.

McLean

USA/LosAngeles

Apr 19th, 2016 10:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

58 is my mike of choice for vocals, I prefer it to any other mike no matter what they cost. It's a great, rugged dependable workhorse that never lets me down and stands up to lot's of abuse.

enginecap

USA

Feb 19th, 2017 12:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I used one to record but I used a windscreen to keep out the plosives. Back in 70s there were less choices I think. Everyone used Shures and to be a little different, certain guys used 57s. Currently I use a Sennheiser

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