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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: 1985 - Current / Cranked, which one sounds better, stock: PRRI or DRRI?
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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: 1985 - Current / Cranked, which one sounds better, stock: PRRI or DRRI?
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StratQuebec
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Patient people get what they want.Jul 15th, 2010 08:05 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I'm considering a PRRI or a DRRI for home studio use.
I need a good Fender clean tone for sure but also a nice, natural and musical sounding overdriven tone too.
Which one of these two sounds better, stock, when cranked? I read many post about the PRRI stating that it farts when cranked and the DRRI is just a bit more expensive so... Cranked, which one sounds better, stock: PRRI or DRRI?
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jealousmonk
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Like a rolling stoneJul 15th, 2010 08:24 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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For home studio I'd go with the PRRI.
The DRRI gets pretty loud before it overdrives.
You might want to check out the Super Sonic 22.
It's supposed to give you the DR clean, and an OD channel you can kick on at lower volumes
Spotz
stratas maximasJul 15th, 2010 08:59 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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They both sound good when cranked ... different, but good!! I use an attenuator on both to tame the volume ... even the PRRI is too loud for me when cranked without an attenuator. As to which one is better, it all depends on what tone you want. I like 'em both.
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and your strange bewildering times...Jul 16th, 2010 12:21 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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There are two natural and musical sounding Fender overdriven tones- The Blackface and the Tweed OD tones. First decide which OD tones you like better then decide which amp to get.
StratQuebec
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Patient people get what they want.Jul 16th, 2010 11:31 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Oh Deep. I do know the BF vs Tweed thing and constantly hesitate between which one I prefer. It's very simple. Both!
One day I prefer the BF clean and the tweed OD. The day after, the Tweed warmer clean and BF OD.
It is no so simple! LOL!! In the end I'll get both but I try to fix my mind on which one to get first let's say, this summer and the other one, next summer.
So for now, I try to forget about the tweed and concentrate on the BF, for home recordings.
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LesJul 16th, 2010 02:17 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Why are both of the amps you are considering tube amps?
StratQuebec
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Patient people get what they want.Jul 16th, 2010 05:35 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Well simply because they are all tubes! But more precisely because of tube tone's richness and responsiveness. (Though I have a lot of fun with modelers too)
StratQuebec
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Patient people get what they want.Jul 16th, 2010 05:44 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Is a PRRI to sound like that (link) stock, right of the box?
The guy says it's the amp alone. If a PRRI sounds like that fully cranked, I like it!
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and your strange bewildering times...Jul 17th, 2010 05:41 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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If its for home studio then I guess the Princeton. I have an original from 1966 and it sounds great at home volume and takes pedals really really well. So go for the PRRI!
StratQuebec
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Patient people get what they want.Jul 17th, 2010 09:16 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Deep: Do your '66 PR overdrives like the PRRI on the link in my post?
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LesJul 17th, 2010 05:15 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I'm a tube lover that thinks that the sound of tubes blows 16-bit digital away, so I'm pleased with your answer.
Power seems to be the most limiting factor you have to consider, so go for the PRRI.
campfirehero
USA/KYJul 21st, 2010 06:39 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I think the prri is weak in the bass department, especially compared to the drri. I don't see 15 watts and a 10in speaker cutting through an average drummer, without mic'ing it up...
I'd like to hear from owners who use it outside of the house how it handles band or jam situations unmiked...
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canadaJul 30th, 2010 05:16 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I use mine in small taverns with a drummer in a blues/rock band and don't put it through the pa, but it all depends on how loud the band is, it won't cut it if the band is playing loud, though then you can throw a mic in front of it.
Cheers
David
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Never squat with your spurs on!Aug 1st, 2010 08:40 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I frequently use an Allen Sweet Spot (Princeton Reverb Clone) with a 10" speaker (Ragin' Cajun') unmic'd at gigs. I am rarely able to run it over about 4 on the volume because it's too loud for our stage volume.
My band mates call the amp "The mouse that roars", cause it's so small, but cuts through the mix like a much bigger amp.
Our band is not a loud band, but we play small to medium gigs and occasionally outdoors although I will usually use a Deluxe Reverb or Tweed Bassman at those gigs, but I have used the Sweet Spot and it works very well.
In my opinion, I prefer the sound of a cranked up Princeton to a cranked up Deluxe, although both are very nice tones. The Princeton is a bit more guttural, and growly and less trebly than a Deluxe when pushed.
StratQuebec
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Patient people get what they want.Aug 1st, 2010 09:18 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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A lot of useful informations guys. Thanks for your inputs.
spankytele
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Custom made in '68Aug 2nd, 2010 09:05 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I like both but prefer the Princeton Reverb of the two.
I had a DRRI for a couple of years and IMO it was easy to get classic rock tone right away. Go play one you'll love it if you're a fan of that sound. If I were playing out more I would still have it. I think in a band setting it holds it's own a little better. It has the bigger trannies and 12" speaker. I found the drive to be a little further up the volume knob. This higher headroom and the fact that it is a bit brighter really make it a great choice for practice and gigging.
That said I find the tone of the PR a little sweeter at lower volumes, but it's still plenty loud. Its OD tone you've heard a million times in popular music. If playing classic rock in the studio, a PR is a great choice.
I just finished a Weber VST kit that's kind of a hybrid of both. The 6A14 I built is the classic PR circuit using larger DR trannies. It has a taste of both worlds (although they are pretty similar to begin with). I just had the Les Paul JR using this amp through a 2X12 and it's just classic rock all the way.
Remember these take pedals well and you don't have to crank it to get great sounding distortion. Just throw a dirt pedal in front and get all of the magic without turning the volume up much past 2. I have had great results with my Cool Cat C-02.
The DR has 2 channels versus the Pr’s one. Some will tell you that they only use the channel with reverb so to many this isn’t even worth mentioning. BUT, I have been reading up on the Fritz mods that make the DRRI an even better sounding amp. I haven’t tried one out yet so I can’t comment (but hope to soon).
You can't go wrong with either really it just comes down to what you decide, but they're both gems and in a perfect world we would all just have both.
StratQuebec
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Patient people get what they want.Aug 2nd, 2010 12:18 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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spankytele :
Yep your post helped me A Lot to make up my mind.
Indeed, classic rock is the tone I wish to get out of it. Though I'll take time to compare both the PRRI and the DRRI at the store, the PRRI should be the one I'll choose since I won't gig with and only use it for studio recordings.
And since simple mods like swapping the OT, the tubes and maybe the speaker makes it an even better sounding amp, I'll try to find a used stock one so I can do the mods I wish by myself.
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Custom made in '68Aug 2nd, 2010 01:10 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Cool! But like you said try them out. Take your axe along and rock out!
A little mod goes a long way. Play it for a while and then wonder how you can make it sound better later. There have been a few times I went full circle and my favorite sound ends up being the stock setup. Speaker break in is also something to think of when trying new amps. I've bought plenty of scratch and dent tube amps that others returned for problems like rattles or stiff speakers.
I forgot to mention I'm almost always a single coil player so that is a variable. If it's strats, teles, and LPJrs then I can speak from experience.
I know your just getting started making this decision, but it's never too soon to be thinking ahead. Maybe a Tweed Deluxe? hehehe It never ends man have fun.
StratQuebec
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Patient people get what they want.Aug 2nd, 2010 04:27 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Ya spankytele ! It never ends and that's that's good to me!
Ya, good idea to play the amp stock for a while, in case it's exaclty the tone I need, as is.
Presently, I play my strat 90% of the time. It has the Fender Hot Noiseless in and I like those pups a lot especially with distortion. I'm currious to hear their tone through the PRRI... Could be a great match!
To be followed!
Btw spankytele , just took a look at your profile's gear list and picts. Woooow, some nice, very very nice treasures in there. Congradulations!
spankytele
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Custom made in '68Aug 2nd, 2010 05:24 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Thanks StratQuebec! Yeah I feel pretty blessed to have the options that I do. I had a pretty good plan back before having kids. Now the gear budget allows enough for strings that's about it. Oh and amp kits!
At one point the family and I were planning to move to a new town. We walked around the area quite a bit and the music store situation was pretty bleak. I was hoping that once we moved I was going open a store. I know it's a tough business but the passion was there. Well at least the purchasing power hahaha. Well we never moved and then "yadayadayada".
Yaknow it just hit me your name and your obvious love for all things strat. You're golden with either amp you choose. Plug and play (and smile).
Ya know it's funny my Princeton Recording Amp offers the best pure Princeton Reverb sound. I'm serious man just the warm shimmer that you can only get from a classic Fender. BUT I use none of the added features. My pedal board gets the nod over the onboard effects. Oh wait I forgot the built in attenuator is really nice. I was taken back by this thing once I replaced the tubes and biased it. The PRA sounds great but doesn't get much love. I must have gotten lucky with mine.
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