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rfrakes331K
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USA

RonHalen Jokingly He Says
Dec 11th, 2011 10:04 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I only have SSS Strats in my stable. I thought I had a SSH loaded pickguard as I am building my next Franken Strat. I would like to have 1 guitar with a Humbucker, but do I need an HH or SSH guitar? How much different is the neck Humbucker compared to the Bridge Humbucker? The body I have is routed for SSH, but it would be easy to have the Luthier route for Swimming Pool or HH route.

Alan0354

Calif, US

Dec 11th, 2011 02:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I would stay with SSH. I don't like touching the body.

I don't know how you compare neck hb to bridge hb. The sound are so different between the two. I like hb in the bridge so I don't get the stinging sound of the single coil. But I think the single coil sound better in the neck position.

rfrakes331K
Contributing Member

USA

RonHalen Jokingly He Says
Dec 11th, 2011 02:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well I do like my Single coil gits and a S in the neck. I guess what I need to keep in mind is that the Strat won't sound like an LP with dual HBs. Thanks Alan! Merry Christmas!

rfrakes331K
Contributing Member

USA

RonHalen Jokingly He Says
Dec 11th, 2011 06:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Couldn't get any luckier here is a strat like guitar thru the LSS my amp. It doesn't compare HH to SSH but kind of what I was looking for in tone to add to my stable.

SSH thru a Mesa Boogie LSS

GP
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SW Burbs of Chitown

ILL, where our Gov's make our plates
Dec 11th, 2011 08:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

" I guess what I need to keep in mind is that the Strat won't sound like an LP with dual HBs."

+1

Alan0354

Calif, US

Dec 11th, 2011 11:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Forget trying to make it sound like LP. The wood and the neck and everything else is different. No matter what pups you put into a Fender, it'll still sound like a Fender. I made the mistake of trying make a Fender sounded like LP because it's cheaper, I ended up wasting money and finally had to save up to buy the LP.

mrfix

canada

Dec 12th, 2011 04:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Use a 5way super switch and Wire the SSS neck/middle and bridge/middle pickups in series. This combo gives you both SSS and HH. Or add a mini switch and convert from parallel to series humbucker at the flip of a switch.

My favorite Strat is wired (1)bridge (2)bridge middle parallel (3)bridge middle series (4)Neck middle parallel, (5) neck middle series.

The neck/middle series blows away any desire for the neck pickup only and except for the bridge pickup alone, everything is noiseless.The bridge pickup can be made semi-noiseless with a 10k resistor parallel blending the middle pickup.

I agree with Alan0354, If you want a Les Paul sound, buy a maple capped mahogany Les Paul.

rfrakes331K
Contributing Member

USA

RonHalen Jokingly He Says
Dec 14th, 2011 06:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I don't necesarily want an LP, just the LP pinch harmonics. I like my Strats as you have to work some at playing them. It seems that some LPs almost play themselves. The SSS wired with 5 way and mini switches sonounds coool. I can do the SSS as I have those parts, but feel I need to get another set of Rumplestiltskin pickups to ge there. Lets put it this way, I thought I needed an HB guitar, maybe not.

L. Nedmundo

Philadelphia

Dec 15th, 2011 11:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'd go with the HSS, because I don't find a neck humbucker terribly useful, and the neck single coil tone rules. Later on, if you do want a neck 'bucker tone, just get a single-coil-sized humbucker, like a Duncan JB Jr., and you're in business. With all the Strat sized pickups out there, you have loads of options. You won't have the two-humbuckers-on tone on tap, which certainly can be useful, but not useful enough for me that I'd rout a body to get it. If you really want that, just get an HH guitar.

Now, I say all this owning a 2001 Am. Series HH hardtail Strat. It's a fantastic, versatile guitar and a great companion to my SSS Strat with Lace Hot Golds, but if it were my only guitar, I'd want HSS instead. The neck humbucker split sounds great, but not like a regular Strat single coil. It's a little mellower, which is very useful at times.

And, as the others said, it doesn't sound like a Les Paul. Some of that is the different construction and woods, but I think much of it comes down to scale length. Put a Gibson scale length neck on there, and I bet it would be much closer.

Alan0354

Calif, US

Dec 15th, 2011 12:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Or get the EC boost to get the hb tone only when needed.

Seymour Duncan has a hb that has pole magnets that supposed to sound like true single coil.

D Allen is going to come out with a hb that has two real single coil pup paired up. Don't know the detail but you can always go on his site and ask.

I personally really like hb with split coil so I can get the single coil clean sound but push it over the top on solo at a flick of the switch.

(This message was last edited by Alan0354 at 12:22 PM, Dec 15th, 2011)

Reindeer
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Minnesota

Dec 19th, 2011 02:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I like the setup of a full sized humbucker in the bridge, a single coil in the middle, and a single coil-sized humbucker in the neck.

super mario
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USA

tone to the bone no other way
Dec 19th, 2011 03:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's my twist on this. I have a HSS Strat that is humcancelling in all positions as it set up as follows: bridge is a SD Pearly Gates full size pick-up; in the middle is Fender Texas Special "neck" pickup; the neck is a Fender Texas Special "middle" pickup. What this does is this - pos 5: full humbucker; pos 4: mid pos pickup & front coil of bridge bucker in parallel; pos 3: same as 4 but wired in series (my fave); pos 2: neck & middle in parallel; pos 1: neck pos pickup in parallel with rear coil of bridge bucker (tele like mid position tone). By the way you need a megaswitch like the ones from Stew-Mac.

93greenstrat

U.S./Woodbridge, VA

Dec 20th, 2011 03:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's my twist on this. I have a HSS Strat that is humcancelling in all positions"

I had a Lonestar Strat that was hum cancelling in all but the 1st (neck single coil only). The only thing I changed was the 3rd position: neck in parallel with the bridge humbucker's rear coil.


rfrakes331K
Contributing Member

USA

RonHalen Jokingly He Says
Dec 23rd, 2011 04:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I bought a Dragonfire prewired SSH pickguard. I will put it together tomorrow, but won't know how it sounds till after the luthier takes it for pro setup.

silverface68

usa/ Northwest IN

You say you`re leavin,I`ll help you pack
Dec 24th, 2011 01:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Any of you folks have any opinions on a strat-sized P90 in the bridge, I noticed that Vintage-vibe and BG both make one..........( I got an american strat as an xmas gift but the tone is kinda lifeless compared to my modded mexican, and i need some chunk out of the bridge P/U, think Joe Walsh`s "Rocky Mountain Way") ps-and my girlfriend would kill me if I never played it out!!!! DOH

Alan0354

Calif, US

Dec 24th, 2011 01:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Use the hb size P90. I have the Gibson P94 and it sounds very good at the bridge position. The aspect ratio of the single coil size is too far off and I don't think you can get a true P90 sound. It needs to be wider. They already had to change the aspect ratio on the P94 to be a little taller already.

Another one worth considering is the SD PRAIL. It has a P90 and a thin rail pup in hb housing. You can get P90, Strat type and a true hb in one pup with a switch.

(This message was last edited by Alan0354 at 01:13 PM, Dec 24th, 2011)

silverface68

usa/ Northwest IN

You say you`re leavin,I`ll help you pack
Dec 25th, 2011 12:02 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Alan0354, that`s the first I`ve heard about a SD Prail..........

rfrakes331K
Contributing Member

USA

RonHalen Jokingly He Says
Jan 15th, 2012 10:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The guitar is done, but setting at the Music shop. I can't drive since the stroke, so have to wait till

wed to get it when someone can take me and I will stealth it in. I would get another music stand and put iout in the basement next to the Bassman, but then someone would noitce. Can't have that. I guess I will leave it in the case.

rfrakes331K
Contributing Member

USA

RonHalen Jokingly He Says
Jan 25th, 2012 05:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My 2012 build turned out to be a bomb. Cheap non-Fender ebay Strat shape body. Mighty mite RW neck that was a tuf fit to the body, Vint Strat 6 pt trm that hangs out the back, and a Dragonfire SSH loaded pickguard. I am trying to decide if it is fixable. Sounds ok unplugged, but plugged in, the pups are lifeless and the humbucker isn't humbuckerish at all. Got any thoughts?

My friend that runs the local git shop is mad cause I didn't buy any of this from him. I should go buy a Tele for $200 from him.

Building is a disease............


rfrakes331K
Contributing Member

USA

RonHalen Jokingly He Says
Feb 7th, 2012 01:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think I may trade this in on a Roadworn Tele with the Humbucker built in. Since I have no Teles and could use another guitar case..

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