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FDP Forum / Performer's Corner / Sharing the solo's
FDP Forum / Performer's Corner / Sharing the solo's
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avsalesman
Australia
'scuse me while I kiss the sky.Mar 20th, 2012 04:00 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I play lead guitar in a classic rock covers band. I handle all solo's. This has never been a problem for anyone before. At rehearsal a few weeks ago our rhythm guitarist says he would like a shot at the solo in "Cocaine". Said he wouldn't want to do it at a gig though, just rehearsal. I'm happy to share solo's whenever and I've never heard him solo before so I go "OK, go for it". Now, Ive been playing for around 35 years so I can string a solo together pretty well, my colleague has been playing for about 2 years and is still feeling his way a little on chords. Well to put it bluntly his solo was not good; in fact it sucked, more bad notes than good, timing off etc. Nobody in the band said anything to him after, which, in point of fact, said a lot I guess.
Cut to last Saturday...
We had a 4 hour gig for around 70 paying punters we were the sole act. He; contrary to his original statement, wants to solo again on "Cocaine". I feined enthusiasm; same outcome. Am I gonna have to suck it up or do we suggest he practice it a bit more? It is a delicate situation isn't it?, I want to encourage him and his rhythm guitar is good and reliable etc, but the solo..... There is absolutely no problem with me sharing the solo's, I just want it to sound good. Is that too much to ask?
Ryder
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Butterscotch BluesMar 20th, 2012 04:23 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I don't know the answer other than there has to be some sort of communication. Maybe between you and the other band mates and see what they think about him doing a crappy solo.
Then, maybe the group could talk to him about it.
Oh, and no, that's not too much to ask.
"I just want it to sound good. Is that too much to ask?"
sjerome
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Upstate NY, USA
Musical accident waiting to happenMar 20th, 2012 05:08 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"There is absolutely no problem with me sharing the solo's, I just want it to sound good."
Well, that's the point, and you're right. If you have somebody in the band who puts more of a premium on what he wants to do than on making the band sound good, that's a person who should not be in the band. Unless the band is some kind of an inclusion/hobby thing where the goal is for everybody to have fun on his own level, that is.
I've been in one of those, but that usually doesn't go along with being paid to perform.
I don't think there's anything wrong with you continuing to let him work out the bugs during rehearsal, and you (or you and the rest of the band) deciding when he's ready to be revealed to the paying public.
Lesterstrat
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Florida
Hog SlapperMar 20th, 2012 06:00 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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You handled this about the as bad as possible. The moment the bloke (I speak Australian) opened his mouth the first time, I'd have shoved the tuner end of his guitar directly in his pie hole and the other end of the guitar up his arse. And then, I'd have exclaimed "Fool! No one, and I mean NO ONE, moves in on my action! Now, get your sorry carcass behind the bass amp where you belong and stay there!".
Frankie A.
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Jersey Shore
"programmed for conversational english"Mar 20th, 2012 06:31 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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At next rehearsal record the band playing Cocaine with his solo and play it back for all to hear and critique . . sorry pal, you're just not ready for prime time !
SpinDoctor
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Ohio USAMar 20th, 2012 06:42 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Maybe you could work with him to come up with a straight forward solo within his abilities. It may not wow anyone, but it shouldn't suck either.
Also make it clear that this is for one song only :^)
Greg
Highland CA
Close to CoronaMar 20th, 2012 06:45 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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On the other hand you could offer to give him some lessons. At least show him how to play the solo on that song.
Bond a little bit as it were.
Rigby1027
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USA, Lubbock
Anybody got a band-aid?Mar 20th, 2012 06:58 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Side sessions with the other guitarist are always good.
Tony Wright
Stillwater, OK
Built for comfort, not for speed.Mar 20th, 2012 09:08 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Uh...Escuse me, I realize this is for guitarist, but Mr Lesterstrat, uh, I hate to bring this up, but you done told me to get behind the bass amp, and, well...there just ain't room for anyone else back here. Could you please send that rhythm guitar guy behind the drummer? Please?
waxcomb
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bassist, Stone SoupMar 20th, 2012 09:40 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I'd let him solo: so low that nobody can hear him!
Juice Nichols
Panama City, FL
Same ol **** but my hair's longerMar 21st, 2012 09:20 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Just tell him it doesn't sound very good and he's not ready. I would hope that wouldn't hurt his feelings.
Feelings aside, if you're playing for money you won't be playing for money very long if the music sounds like crap.
Rehersal is one thing. Gigs are entirely different.
Tony Wright
Stillwater, OK
Built for comfort, not for speed.Mar 21st, 2012 05:28 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Send him a link to this thread. 'nuff said.
ghodaddyyo
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Huntington Beach
Merry New Year!Mar 21st, 2012 05:51 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Still loling at Lester's response!
gdw3
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LA-la-land, CA
Insert clever comment hereMar 22nd, 2012 10:04 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"At least show him how to play the solo on that song."
Agreed. Show him something real simple and tasty that he can pull off with ease.
Also, I would add that you record it the next practice, with your solo and his. See if he even hears the clams. If not, then you do have a problem. Hopefully, tho, he will hear them and will want to improve.
waxcomb
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bassist, Stone Soup & The BlackburnsMar 23rd, 2012 11:01 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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How'd a guy with such little experience get a paying gig?
Ryder
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Butterscotch BluesMar 24th, 2012 06:23 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"How'd a guy with such little experience get a paying gig?"
He's their rhythm guitarist.
Juice Nichols
Panama City, FL
Same ol **** but my hair's longerMar 24th, 2012 07:04 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"my colleague has been playing for about 2 years and is still feeling his way a little on chords."
It doesn't sound like he's very adept at rhythm guitar either.
This sounds like a situation I was in some years ago. We started out as just some dudes jamming and having fun. That turned into a few paying gigs here and there, which eventually turned into a regular weekend gig. There was a few guys that was fine to play with when we were just having fun, but they weren't even close to being ready for a paying gig. Needless to say it got a little ugly when it started to become a regular deal and we had to cut bait with those guys.
Not saying that you need to dump this guy, but if you're serious about paying gigs, you can't afford to have guys that have trouble keeping up. If you're just doing it to have a good time and play a party here and there, keep him around and help him get better.
Fritz_D_Cat
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through chemistry!Mar 24th, 2012 12:34 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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paying gig? doesn't have to be 'pretty', but - on time, in tune, and in key - bare minimum.
Gold Sparkle
Germany
too old to die youngMar 24th, 2012 10:48 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I would let him play solo at practice. Then record it and let him listen. May be he won´t play solo anymore. If he is a good rhythm player he should recognize if it´s good or not.
littleuch
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Michigan
T-boned and puncturedMar 25th, 2012 07:23 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Sometimes the biggest infraction is not the clams served up by the inexperienced, but their inability to be objective and not hear/feel it for what it is. You hate to shoot down someone's enthusiasm and stunt their desire to grow as a musician. But something was lost in perception that made him take a foolish leap at gig time. He now unfortunately needs the blunt end of the reality hammer.
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