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FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / Gibson SG.... the greatest Hard Rock guitar of all time?
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(This message was last edited by One of Chucks Children at 07:48 AM, Apr 15th, 2012)
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FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / Gibson SG.... the greatest Hard Rock guitar of all time?
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urbtone
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Jim O.Mar 30th, 2012 11:58 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I think SGs are cool in all of their incarnations. I have what I think is the cheapest USA-made version, a '60s Tribute with P90s, which I bought despite some online whining I read about it being a hack job. Guess what - the thing sounds great, looks great, plays great. It doesn't have the best finish I've ever seen, but it's super light and it only cost $700. (or $800, I forget!) It's a keeper.
archiestone
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El Californio Mar 30th, 2012 12:27 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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o Jimi Hendrix was the greatest hard rock guitarist of all time.
o Jimi played a Strat. (therefore)
o The Strat is the greatest hard rock guitar of all time.
yellowrubberduck
Vancouver, CanadaMar 30th, 2012 12:54 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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archiestone... i like your logic. and agree Jimi is the greatest. but he was not hard rock imo. wasn't that the "pop" of the day? or what i call.. heavy blues?
anyway my real point here is.. Jimi also played an SG... so.... :)
archiestone
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El Californio Mar 30th, 2012 01:01 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"but he was not hard rock imo. "
What?!
What?!
(he sputtered)
yellowrubberduck
Vancouver, CanadaMar 30th, 2012 01:08 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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lol... ok Jimi does rock pretty hard. i guess my brain hears hard rock and i think of AC/DC and so on. but i guess that is a limited way of looking at it.
anyway... i stand by the SG statement... and Jimi played an SG too.... so as cool as a strat is, i still give the nod to the SG.
of course next week it's be a filtertron Gretsch... but we can deal with that next week.
smurph1
USAMar 30th, 2012 01:51 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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i always thought SGs were "cool", but I never played one I really liked..On the other hand I've played many a Les Paul that RAWKED!!
RainboGuy
USA/Wisconsin
Ike Turner is my guitar hero!Mar 30th, 2012 05:16 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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What do Frank Zappa, Carlos Santana, Lonnnie Brooks, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Pete Townsend, Angus Young, Robbie Krieger, Derek Trucks, Elliott Easton, and many other truly IMPORTANT guitarists have in common?
They all LOVED playing their Gibson SG's!
And the Gibson SG has been heard on some of THE most influential rock and blues songs of all time.
One of Chucks Children
USAApr 15th, 2012 07:47 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I've played Gibson SGs for 30 years and the one I have now is a 1999 standard that is ridiculously comfortable to play and looks and sounds great. I find that the Gibson Les Paul is a much better sounding guitar overall, however, especially for hard rock. That maple cap just makes the difference. SGs have less "sparkle" to the sound (my opinion) and they don't really "sing" the way a Les Paul does (again, my opinion). I consider the Les Paul to be the greatest hard rock guitar of all time. All that said, no Gibson is even close to being as versatile as a regular Strat or Tele. You could show up anywhere with a Strat, not knowing who you would be playing with or even the musical style. It's harder to do that with a Gibson.
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Yeeeehaaaa!Apr 15th, 2012 08:51 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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All I know is that Pete Townsend's open E blast on 'Pinball Wizard,' playing the SG in the live footage shown in "The Kids Are Allright," is pretty much as hard rock as one can get.
RainboGuy
USA/Wisconsin
Ike Turner is my guitar hero!Apr 19th, 2012 08:53 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Yeah, I'm the guy that said you "have to tweak your SG to make it exceptional"..
So, Regarding "tweaking" Gibson SG's.....
Yesterday I had my go-to electronics tech replace the crappy caps that came stock with my 2009 Gibson SG Standard and put orange drops in it.
It's astounding that Gibson and other guitar manufacturers typically put cheap, crappy caps in their over $1,000 USA-Made instruments.
Shame on them, because THEY DO affect the tone
Then, when I got home, I put a new Tone Pros Bridge with Graph-Tech saddles on.
NOW....FINALLY....this guitar sounds just beautiful on all of my amps......
I'd have to describe the tone in this guitar as very, very similar to Robby Krieger's tone in The Doors.
That's exactly the tone I've been trying to get since I bought the guitar in November of 2009.
Love it!
Gotta love those Gibson SG Standards!!!
reverend mikey
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Ark...Professionals built the Titanic May 2nd, 2012 03:03 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Resurrecting this thread because I just bought a lefty 2009 SG Standard that needs a little resurrecting!
Other than customer and Guitar Center abuse (more about that in a moment), does anyone know if SG Standards were getting Plek'd in 2009? This one doesn't seem like it could possibly have been Plek'd with the awful set-up it has: the string slots at the nut are way too high, causing major intonation issues on cowboy chords.
The other set-up issues (very bad intonation and action) could have been customer inflicted (maybe they were trying to be Derek Trucks and play slide? But not on such light strings...).
Anyway, just wondering about this Plek thing...
The original owner (female, not that it matters...) took the guitar to Guitar Center and had them install EMG's. In order to make the battery and small control board fit, they removed one volume and tone pot from the control cavity, AND THEN GLUED THE VOLUME AND TONE CONTROLS ONTO THE BODY OF THE GUITAR TO COVER UP THE HOLES!
I find it hard to believe that even a moron at GC would do this to an American made instrument! When the tech at the store where it was traded in and I purchased it removed the knobs, it pulled up some finish (see pic).
The upside was that I got a great deal on the guitar (traded in a Peavey Delta Blues and $250 + tax). After I sell the EMG's I'll get back some, but I'm also going to put in around $250 worth of pickups & pots/caps.
The wood grain is otherwise straight and beautiful, and even the first 3 frets don't have any wear on them at all...so I'll be a happy camper when I get it "raised from the dead"!
carsten
on the rhineMay 3rd, 2012 12:04 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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hi reverend mikey!
wow!
hard to believe that anyone would even think about GLUEING down the knobs on a perfectly nice guitar...
however, most of the cracked finish will be covered by the knobs when you´ve re-done them properly.
not sure about the "plec"-thing - i don´t know when they started doing this...
i have a 2005 SG Standard and it´s a very nice guitar!
your tuning-issues in the first frets might be related to the bad set-up and high action.
see if it gets better after a set-up - then you can decide if the nut might need some attention.
i hope you´ll get it back up and running soon!
cheers - C.
Pinetree
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think of anything to put here.May 3rd, 2012 12:09 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I dunno, man.
Gluing on the knobs to hide the holes looks pretty clever to me.
carsten
on the rhineMay 3rd, 2012 01:30 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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hi pinetree!
"looks pretty clever to me" - LOL
i´d say, just because it looks good doesn´t mean it´s clever ;-)
a couple of screws and washers would have accomplished the same look without ruining the finish... just saying ;-)
cheers - C.
RainboGuy
USA/Wisconsin
Ike Turner is my guitar hero!May 3rd, 2012 08:04 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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reverend mikey:
Yes. They were plekk'ed in 2009.
My Gibson SG Standard was made in August of 2009 and it was plekk'ed at the factory in Nashville when it was made.
yellowrubberduck
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Vancouver, CanadaMay 3rd, 2012 09:21 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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yep that was a silly thing to do. but it's not bad and should be covered up. good luck on bring it back from the dead.
i've been playing mine non stop since i got it. the SG standard is a heck of a guitar!
reverend mikey
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Ark...Professionals built the Titanic May 3rd, 2012 07:31 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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RainboGuy wrote:
"Yes. They were plekk'ed in 2009.
My Gibson SG Standard was made in August of 2009 and it was plekk'ed at the factory in Nashville when it was made."
Then my earlier suspicions are confirmed: when these are plek'd/set-up, they are NOT set up to optimum playability. All six strings on mine are too high in the nut slots, especially the G, B and E. It doesn't play in tune on the lower frets, and the action is just too high over the first 6-7 frets because of this, too, making clean fingering difficult.
No big deal, I'll set it up to my preferences. The grain on the guitar is nice and straight - this looks like a one piece body; you have to look very close on the end under the strap button or the back to see the seam.
I can't wait to get the EMG's out; not my thing at all...
...but I agree, it is one heck of a guitar!
RainboGuy
USA/Wisconsin
Ike Turner is my guitar hero!May 4th, 2012 11:38 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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reverend mikey:
You're right. The very first thing I did to my SG Standard was to have the nut replaced with a professionally cut bone nut.
Sorry Gibson.......the guitar was not set up for optimal playability because the nut was'nt cut right.
I was amazed (pleasantly so) that the nut on my Les Paul Goldtop 60's Tribute was cut right.
reverend mikey
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Ark...Professionals built the Titanic May 4th, 2012 11:56 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Yeah, I may do the bone nut thing ... don't know why Gibson doesn't do that on their USA standard models...the rest of this guitar is very, very nice.
I started setting it up to my specs: changed strings, tweaked the truss rod, bridge height and intonation, and lowered the tailpiece all the way down on the body and wrapped teh strings over the top. Nut slots are next...didn't want to tackle those until I had a little more time.
bmeredith
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Happiness is a warm tube ampMay 4th, 2012 01:20 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Mine's a 2009 USA Standard and I had the same problem that you describe (bad intonation at the nut due to slots too high). I just had the stock Corian nut removed and replaced with a bone nut a couple weeks ago.
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