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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: 1985 - Current / Tried the Mustang III today

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mirrorboy

Yorkshire, England

Apr 24th, 2012 02:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This year I retired my Roland Cube 30 and have bought VOX DA5, VOX VT30, Fender Mustang Mini and Fender Mustang I.

DA5 is my busking amp, great tone, long battery life and a microphone input.

VT30 is now my stage performance amp, excellent power to weight ratio and there is minimal delay when changing patches with the footswitch.

Mustang Mini is the one I enjoy the most for playing round the house. It has all the bells and whistles available via FUSE and it plays with a very nice feel at extremely low volume.

Mustang I has the best power to weight ratio. It would be redundant if it wasn't so light and easy to carry to band rehearsals and jams. It's not powerful enough for gigs though, and the patch changing is too slow with the Fender footswitch.

I have to say that the real winner out of all of these is the Mustang Mini.

telegib

Canada

Apr 24th, 2012 06:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I heard a Mustang II at practice tonight. I had my Mustang III at the same practice. No cigar for the Mustang II.

It sounded nice but to me it is a practice amp. Not in the same league as the III.

The Mustang III is the best value in size, wattage and price in the Mustang amps. It is also a gigging amp which I have proved several times now.

Quackerjack
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USA

Apr 24th, 2012 06:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

How useful is the compressor? One of my beefs on the CD is that the compressor has only 3 settings, and none of them are subtle.

telegib

Canada

Apr 25th, 2012 03:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If find the compressor very effective on the MIII. You have a simple compressor with one knob or a full funtion compressor with threshold, ratio, etc.

6 Cylinder Slim

New England

Shoes for Industry
Apr 25th, 2012 05:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

+1 on the MIII being a gig worthy amp. I did use mine once and there was no shortage of power. The band leader uses a Mustang I for rehearsals. It works fine for that, but if you're considering a Mustang amp, it is worth noting that the MIII is still small, light and easy to use as a rehearsal amp while having a lot more low end punch and enough power for live shows.

StratQuebec

Canada

Patient people get what they want.
Apr 25th, 2012 10:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sorry to be a bit off topic guys...
Hi QJ!
You know you can tweak the Cyber-Deluxe compressor using your Mac. Check the Cyber-Deluxe Online Ressource for that matter!

BTW, I am once again a tube snob (worst, a Marshall one!!!) but I still maintain my good old Cyber-Deluxe Online Ressource that I'm so proud of !

Cyber-Deluxe Online Ressource

Quackerjack
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USA

Apr 25th, 2012 10:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi there Rene...good to see you ;-). I was going to drop you an email, but since you found the thread I was wondering what your thoughts were about the CD vs M3? My initial impression was that Fender made some big advances in the touch-sensitivity of the models vs the Cyber series, but also did a much more realistic job of replicating the classics like the Deluxe and the Champ...would you agree?

P.S....I'll forgive you for going Marshall on us ;-)

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Apr 25th, 2012 03:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Dan, the compressor is better on the m3. The cyber has more bottom imo. The dirty sounds are better on the m3 but the cyber still does jimi in the studio better.i liked the closed back of the m2 over the m3 but got the 3 for the extra power.. i missed my expander so much that i built an attenuater to go between the m3 s send to whatever i run with it. All in all i like the m3 in gig situation but my old cyber,s not going anywhere for now...

StratQuebec

Canada

Patient people get what they want.
Apr 25th, 2012 04:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Dan,
I think what Don (BTW Hi! Don. Nice to meet you again!) said is important since he gigs with the Mustangs & the Cyber so he' s in better place than compare the two. It's since a long time I didn't played the Cyber-Deluxe so all I will say is based from memories.

But here's my opinion:
But before:
Marshall, Vox, Fender and Peavey tubes amps and the Mustang I, Vox AD30VT and desktop vox tonelab modelers, they all fill my music room now. These days I play mostly the Marshall (Haze 15 w head w/ the 1X12 bottom) but still use my other amps and modellers at times and enjoy them all very much.

Back to the CD vs M III
I can't talk about the II or III. Just about the I in a home recording situation.

I'll have to be very honest here about the Cyber-Deluxe. I must admit that the Mustang is decades if not centuries ahead the Cyber-Deluxe in terms of modelling technologies. The CD now is 12 years old so nothing to be really surprised of, otoh.

I remember that the effects and the reverb on the CD were absolutely marvellous. I found the effects on the Mustang I to be ok but not outstanding at all, even the reverb and the compressor are just ok to me.

But hey, for the price, man, one cannot complain. The mustang
offers, I would say 80% of the warmth and the sensitivity of a real tube amp and the models are surprisingly realistic. I had the fizz syndrome mine but a firmware update fixed it, not 100% fixed but it's absolutely useable now.

Souds great miked, sterile and lifeless direct, via the usb, to my liking anyway.

If I was gigging, I would seriously consider using the III and I'd get two of them, to have a perfect clone as a backup. Go for the III without hesitations. Even the speaker seems damn good! Enjoy it to the last drop!

And btw, get an ABY switcher and run your DRRI and MIII together ! A dirty Marshall preset on the III matched with the DRRI cleans and voilĂ ! This is heaven!

Rene

(This message was last edited by StratQuebec at 04:43 PM, Apr 25th, 2012)

Quackerjack
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USA

Apr 25th, 2012 05:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The Fellowship of the CyberDeluxes rides again ;-)

Guys...thanks for the response. While I didn't get to play the M3 at gig levels, it did seem to me to lack some of the bottom punch of the CD as Don mentioned. I have to think its the cabinet, as the speaker is the same and if anything it has more power.

I'm into these amps only for Fender-type power tube break up at reasonable volumes, and the flexibility to occasionally switch to Marshall tones. The CD can do the job well (I *still* use Don's Super Cranked patch!) but I like the Twin and Princeton models of the M3.

Given the price, it looks like I will pick one up soon...its too cheap to pass up.

(This message was last edited by Quackerjack at 06:39 PM, Apr 25th, 2012)

reverendrob
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Apr 25th, 2012 06:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Price differential on the M3 and the CD probably explains the speaker/low end difference to be honest.

StratQuebec

Canada

Patient people get what they want.
Apr 25th, 2012 06:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'll stay tuned for your follow up QJ. Btw, I sometimes run my M1 though a custom hybrid cab (can do the close and open back thing) with a Celestion Blue in. Sounds bigger, move more air for sure!

Playing tube amps is pleasant but, expensive in the long run as we all know ! Tube swap, biasing, they sometimes hum, sometimes sound different from time to time, need more care and maintenance etc etc. The Mustang is care free, reliable and sound always the same. A big advantage in some situations.

fredocaster

USA

Apr 25th, 2012 07:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

+1 on the MIII. I was (still am) a tube snob, but think this computer attached to a speaker absolutely rocks. I am currently using it worry-free for practices and gigs. No tube worries, no worries about having my 57 Deluxe being stolen. The tone is very good, and I don't think most people (even experienced guitarists) can tell the difference between the MIII and the real thing, unless you were to A/B them side by side. This amp is very light and perfect for small and medium size gigs, miked or not. I have not tried it direct to the console, but I have not had the need to to that yet.


Sorry I can't compare it to a CD, as I was too much of a tube snob to even try such a thing all those years ago.

(This message was last edited by fredocaster at 07:32 PM, Apr 27th, 2012)

telegib

Canada

Apr 26th, 2012 03:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"While I didn't get to play the M3 at gig levels, it did seem to me to lack some of the bottom punch of the CD as Don mentioned"

On the contrary that is the problem I have found with most all other digital amps or processors.They produce too much botom end but cannot produce an overall fat tone. It just sounds bassy with a thin top end.

This is where the MIII excells in my opinion. It compares very faithfully to my 65 Twin, 65 Deluxe, and Hot Rod Deluxe tube amps that while they are very full and rich they are not not lifeless and thumpy sounding.

This plus the dynamics and warmth make them by far the best modelling amps on the market in my opinion.

6 Cylinder Slim

New England

Shoes for Industry
Apr 26th, 2012 07:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic


I agree. When I play professionally, I'm in the rhythm section and much of what I play needs a tight, punchy bottom end along with some chime on top. That's why I prefer the vintage blackface type amps with their hi-fi type biasing over modern tube amps that are designed more for fat overdrive tones.
The MIII did not let me down here. The TR patch had plenty of tight low end and never sounded muddy even at stage volume. I also found no fault with the speaker and cabinet design.

Jeffty

Austin TX

Gain is my co-pilot...
Apr 26th, 2012 08:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've had a CyberDeluxe since 2002 and it has always sounded great to me live and in the studio. My only complaint was the excessive compression even at the lightest setting. I obtained a CTSE several years later and being only slightly bigger and heavier than the CD it became my "big gig" amp. I got a Mustang II last year and I really appreciate the advances in digital modeling and EFX found in it.

I use it for all my smaller gigs and rehearsals but it is unable to keep up with a full rhythm section. If I didn't have the CD I would sell this and get a Mustang III but I'm pretty well set right now.

I love the Super Sonic overdrive settings on the Mustang and it does a slightly crunchy old Deluxe really well too. I find that adding "tube sag" enhances the tube-ness. Incredible value.

fredocaster

USA

Apr 27th, 2012 07:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My only reservation about the MIII is that succumbing to it in a GAS attack (as I did) may lead to further GAS. Due to the various great amp models on this amp, I find myself lusting for amps I have never owned - especially the Princeton and the Tweed Champ. The good news is that for 300 bucks, I get them both, and many others, in a one package that I can gig with.

Quackerjack
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USA

Apr 27th, 2012 08:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of the selling points for me is that it does the Princeton and Tweed Champ so well. Unfortunately I have to wait another week before I can get to GC to try it out again...it will most likely follow me home. ;-)

telegib

Canada

Apr 27th, 2012 08:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Go for it Quackerjack. And it is only until you bring it home and set up some tones that you will realize how truly great these MIII's amps are.

Oh....and order a 4 button footswitch at the same time. You won't regret it.

(This message was last edited by telegib at 08:49 PM, Apr 27th, 2012)

fredocaster

USA

Apr 28th, 2012 07:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

+1 on the 4 button switch. Very important if you want to gig with this amp.

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