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kego
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Apr 29th, 2012 08:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

BS on Copperheads being aggressive. At worst they have about a 2 foot striking distance anyway

Either keep your eyes open and walk around them or stay the hell off the trails.

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Apr 29th, 2012 09:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

kego - I know you're a snake guy. I generally have a "leave 'em alone" policy. The stats just don't back up copperheads not being aggressive. They will leave the area if they can, but if they are surprised and feel threatened they have no rattle as a warning, nor do they stand and show colors like a cottonmouth. Their first defensive interaction is a bite.

As of this year or last (unsure of study date) NC was #1 in not only venomous snake bites, but #1 in "legitimate" bites. A legitimate bite is considered one where the snake was not teased or provoked in any way. It just did its natural copperhead thing and struck out at someone on the trail or near the wood pile, etc.

Many trails around here have posted warnings and bites are not uncommon. The locals swap bite stories regularly.

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Apr 30th, 2012 12:49 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've shot several rattlesnakes with a 71/2 inch Super Blackhawk. It was a number of years ago, and I seem to remember it was .44 special and not magnum loads. Worked great. I can't see why a .38 wouldn't work as well except for having a smaller charge of shot available.

As far as steel shot goes, I really don't think they make it that small. Aren't the pellets #9 or smaller?

Deacon Blues
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Apr 30th, 2012 11:17 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Should work fine, Jess. I've used .44, .38 and .22 shot for various pests. Never had the opportunity to use the rounds on snakes, though.

If you get a chance shoot one for me...and Kego.

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Apr 30th, 2012 12:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had a .357/38 Special once, to carry when I went fishing in the mountains. Sometimes it was loaded with snakeshot, 'cause I figured, at least at close range, it could blind a bear and therefore be better than individual bullets.

Whaddya think? Stupid or smart?

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Apr 30th, 2012 12:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"it could blind a bear"

Interesting approach. A bear can smell its way straight at you and I'd think it would be plenty PO'd with eyes full of shot.

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Apr 30th, 2012 01:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, even if you could smell him, would YOU go after somebody that just shot YOUR eyes full of shot? :)

Deacon Blues
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Apr 30th, 2012 02:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No, but then I'm not bear, Bear.

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Apr 30th, 2012 02:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I used to carry shot loads in my SP101 until I had a gator come at me while I was fishing along a canal bank. Now it has 180 grain .357s in it.

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Apr 30th, 2012 03:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Jess,

While you are correct about NC having the highest number of bites, you are apparently misinformed on the statistics. If you scroll down in the link below you'll find state stats as well as bite stats.

There are approximately 5-7K bites in the US every year, of which 12-15 are fatal. Nearly all fatal bites are to small children and NONE have been attributed to Copperheads.

If you really want to protect yourself you'd do much better figuring out a way to carry a Faraday cage - since the chance of being struck by lightning is about 5 times greater than dying of a snake bite.

I stand by my original assessment.

http://www.alabamaherps.com/snake%20bite.htm#SnakebiteStatistics

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Apr 30th, 2012 05:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Snake shot is a viable alternative round if you are already carrying a gun that they are available for, but I would never buy a gun based on "This should work great with shotshells."

Pistols and revolvers make very poor shotguns even in the best of circumstances.



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Apr 30th, 2012 06:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Deacon -- HAR!

Belgarath, mine was also an SP101. So what happened with the alligator? I'm really curious, 'cause my theory might be at risk.

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Apr 30th, 2012 07:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

All of this talk of shooting snakes that you are afraid of, or are startled by while hiking brings to mind the following question...
How many of you practice shooting your guns at or near your feet when you are startled?

Mixing a loaded gun with little or no practical practice or mental preparation and a sudden, adrenalin-induced reaction
is a recipe for disaster.

I admit that I have a healthy respect for all snakes. I even admire them enough to have taken the time to overcome the fear and loathing of them I could have inherited from my mother. I have come to recognize that the snakes of the world fill a very necessary niche. When they are near my home - it us because their prey ( typically mice, rats, or other snakes) are also nearby. When the prey are gone, the snakes move on.

I have spent hours sitting on a rock in a pasture in Montana while what I think were hundreds of rattlesnakes moved through the grass at my feet. They didn't bother me and I merely watched them. I left that encounter enriched and amazed.

I know most people will never take the time to get to know these remarkable creatures because it is too easy to destroy animals that have no hate or agenda against us. We have the ability to learn so much about the creatures around us and are one of the only species that can choose not to kill needlessly. Consider this the next time you whip out a gun to shoot a snake that has the misfortune to be in your way.

If you do feel compelled to shoot a snake, hopefully you won't shoot yourself or your hiking partner in your haste.

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Apr 30th, 2012 09:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I bought a box of the shot capsules to reload years back. I found the following :
They seem to pattern better in my snub nose than the longer
barrels.
They seem to pattern better at low velocities.

They don't hold a useful pattern over about 10-15 feet.

Use small shot for pattern density.

Oh yes I find the 22 cal useless.

Dadical
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Apr 30th, 2012 10:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

kego - I don't know how you figure my stats are wrong. NC has the highest number of venomous snakebites, period. Your link shows that 25% of all US venomous snakebites are from copperheads, which are prevalent in NC, particularly here in the mountains, and nonexistent in many other states. We also have cottonmouths, timber rattlers, pygmy rattlers, eastern diamondbacks, and coral snakes. There is nothing at all on your link that controverts anything I posted.

It matters not that copperhead fatalities generally involve children rather than adults, and that is limited data on your link, BTW. There are cases of copperhead fatalities involving adults in situations of both multiple bites and a single bite to an adult in less than good health. I don't know how far back your link's research goes. I've been to several links; government, university, and private.

I have hiked around rattlesnakes for years and not bothered them in the wild except as to encourage a few away from the trail with my hiking stick. One dry bit me from the bush. I didn't see that guy coming.

I don't intend to meet or do battle with a copperhead on the trail. I have used sticks in the past to re-route rattlesnakes and to catch a particularly pesky one that wanted nothing at all to do with exiting a trail between two rocks. I also don't intend to have a house fire, but I have smoke alarms and fully charged fire extinguishers. The second to last thing I need to do is bring attention to myself on a hike by discharging a firearm. The last thing would be to suffer some sort of catastrophe. The best thing that could happen to a box of snake shot would be for it to get old.

Trails are quite variable and situations can occur wherein a snake can be startled and become aggressive. Once trapped, copperheads are generally more aggressive than rattlesnakes. They have a well observed, different "fight or flight" response in distress.

Lrgo - If the snake is around your feet, it's easier and faster to use the hiking stick. It is not an appropriate shooting scenario.

As to venomous snakes at home, that's a completely different situation. I skinned dozens of rattlesnakes at the ranch and would do it again. We also cleared out a major nest about 20 feet from the swimming pool. Venomous snakes are not welcome around pets or kids, or now in my case, grandkids. I have done major ground clearing around here and trimmed shrubs up from the ground to avoid providing a haven for rodents. I'm doing my part to peacefully keep them away, but I do live in the woods and if I find one on the deck, it's going in the chili.

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Apr 30th, 2012 11:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I used to have a pet copperhead. He wasn't so bad, you just didn't want to stick your hand in the cage.

"I have hiked around rattlesnakes for years and not bothered them in the wild except as to encourage a few away from the trail with my hiking stick. One dry bit me from the bush. I didn't see that guy coming."

Do you wear snake boots?



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May 1st, 2012 12:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Do you wear snake boots?"

Not so far. There's a trail near here where my friends won't go without snake boots. For now I'll keep to the wider, more populated trails. That "snake trail" is steeper and I'm still working on getting my heart stronger. Terrain like I used to run is requiring breaks just walking lately.

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May 1st, 2012 01:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"That "snake trail" is steeper and I'm still working on getting my heart stronger. Terrain like I used to run is requiring breaks just walking lately"

Everything in moderation brings good healing:-)

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May 1st, 2012 07:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Bear,

Not to hijack the thread, but I've not so much as even thrown a rock at a gator. The one that came at me was only trying to warn me off its turf for whatever reason. It worked!

I wouldn't shoot a gator unless I was convinced it was actually on the attack. For one thing, it's illegal as hell unless you have a permit, in season, etc.

Fortunately, they're kind of like I am and will let you be if you let them be. Especially in back country where they don't see so many humans and nobody feeds them. As often as not, you'll only hear them going into the water to get away and only see the tail and/or a few ripples unless you catch one snoozing in the sun. I enjoy seeing them in their natural habitat.

But that's no reason not to be prepared ...

Deacon Blues
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May 1st, 2012 11:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A couple of folks seem to be prone to jumping to conclusions.

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