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shunka Contributing Member ***** Willoughby, OH , USA I'm arrogant and a moron	May 21st, 2012 12:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic Just taking the opportuity to "vent" and then you guys can tell me what a bozo I am. My acoustic/electric duo/quartet hasn't worked in a year. No need for my opinions as to why. I've rehearsed with a "tuxedo" band that I don't expect to work more than once a monthand certainly not in the foreseeable future because most of these type of gigs are booked months and years in advance. Fortunately, I have a bassist and a drummer that I'm pretty sure would be ready and happy to share a stage any time I could come up with a booking. There are some time and distance issues there, so rehearsals would have to be minimal. I've auditioned with a couple of cover bands who expected me to clone the guitarist on the record. I have never had to do that in 40 years of gigging. Or, everything seems to go well until my age comes up. ( I 'll be 69 in August. I can still lift a TR w/EV SROs into my van and stand under an LP Custom for 4 hours.) I'm thinking I should be looking for a band that I can spend my "twilight years" with - blues, blues rock, smooth jazz - where age may be irrelevant. I don't want to play all the early rock that I grew up with and frankly, I don't enjoy a lot of what's on the charts currently. I enjoy singers who can sing melody and don't need to have 7 back up singers, auto-tune, and 12 dancers grabbing their crotches to be entertaining. What do you guys think? So I'm looking for a side project that I could spend my twolight years with. (This message was last edited by shunka at 02:35 PM, May 22nd, 2012)
AceLuby MN Workin on my chops	May 21st, 2012 12:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic Maybe a solo project? I've been tossing around the idea of doing a jazz solo project that incorporates live looping and backing tracks. Something in that vein might be good for you if you have any recording experience...
shunka Contributing Member ***** Willoughby, OH , USA I'm arrogant and a moron	May 21st, 2012 12:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic I've been thinking of recording. I have an 8 year old Yammy 16 track digital, but it's an extreme learning curve and I'm more interested in live performance. I have a line 6 looper and a vocal harmonizer, both of which I have praticed with and it's doable but not as much fun as a couple of other guys would be. Most of the older guys I run into want to do the same old same old, which I wouldn't really mind as long as we could also do some newer stuff. (This message was last edited by shunka at 02:48 PM, May 21st, 2012)
5Strats Contributing Member ********** *** Edmond/OKC Axe Victim	May 21st, 2012 12:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic Based on experience, I know that recording projects won't scratch your need to play live itch. Whatever you do, find something fun. Life's too short to have to put up with a ton of BS to play out, such as performing music or songs you're not really into.
jbryan Minneapolis	May 21st, 2012 01:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic "I've auditioned with a couple of cover bands who expected me to clone the guitarist on the record. I have never had to do that in 40 years of gigging." Seriously? You have NEVER run into this? With cover bands, this is the EXPECTED- that you need to cop the parts like they were recorded. I am to say the least, kinda dumbfounded that you have never encountered this before in your career. Wow!
mroulier Contributing Member ***** Suburban MD. Ask me about my BlowCoat(tm)!	May 21st, 2012 01:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic Throw out some ideas for a band you 'thought might be cool...' that have occurred to you over the last ten years and see if you can get some like-minded individuals to just 'jam'... Might be the perfect time for that "The Clash meets surf-rock meets punk-a-billy" band you always wanted to form. Well, maybe not, but you get the idea.
Hank Hill I melted wax to fix my wings	May 21st, 2012 02:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic Shunka - This "bassist and drummer" you mentioned - is that Marc and his brother (Tim, I think)?? If so, you guys sound Great together!!! If that's who you're talking about, I'd talk to them so you all could keep it in mind. If you, or one of them, hears about a gig once in a while, I'm positive you could pull it off if your schedules coincide. No big deal, just kind of a "thrown together" kind of thing. Probably wouldn't happen too often, but you never know... As for that "play it like the record" thing - that'd bore me to tears. And that's not just talking about my lack of ability to do so anymore - it's more like I've *Never* wanted to be in such a band in the first place! If you can't change up arrangements and/or solos in a live situation, then why bother? If I wanted to play "like" the record, I'd stay home and listen "To" the record! I guess some audiences are still impressed by such things in bars (or wherever), but you could just as easily cart around a jukebox and get Tons more fans... Then again, at your age (and I'm *kinda* close) they probably wouldn't like your choice of records. ;-) So I don't know... Depends on what you want to do. If you're looking for a real steady gig, you'll have to bow to (or, I mean Stoop to) the desires of the masses. Learn that note-for-note stuff to songs you don't even identify with, etc. And that's only IF some band you might join could overlook your age. Sorry to say it that way, but for us old guys it's true. Best you could hope for (in that scenario) is that the younger guys would think of you as a "novelty shredder" of sorts. "Hey, our guitarist is ANCIENT and he can STILL nail the solo to (insert song title here) - and he sounds Just Like The Record!!!!" ;-) Obviously that's not what you're looking for, but these days it might be the only way to get steady gigs... I say keep looking for guys with a similar mindset and go from there. You might never gig steadily anymore (if that's what you're wanting), but at least you'd be having fun doing what You want to do. You can always record stuff at home to keep your chops up too. Just some thoughts here...
Gaukdawg Ohio I'm with you fellers!	May 22nd, 2012 08:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic I'm 52, almost 53, and I see this in my future. I have a great thing going right now with my current band and I want it to last as long as possible, but all things come to an end. I hope I can find an audience and other musicians that will put up with me 10 and 15 years from now. Good luck in your endeavors. Don't give up, you may have to try corporate and other type gigs but the audiences are all great when you can get them. There are all kinds of fund raisers that need entertainment.
shunka Contributing Member ***** Willoughby, OH , USA I'm arrogant and a moron	May 22nd, 2012 09:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic JBRYAN, Didn't say that I hadn't encountered it. Said I never had to do it. Yes, certain signature runs, intros etc.but mostly solos were whatever I wanted to do. perhaps one of the greatest compliments I ever got was when A guy came up to me after we Journey's "Who's Crying Now" and said,"that was really cool. You played the first few bars like Neil Schon and then went into your own thing." This probably comes from having studied with a lot of jazz guys. They were hired more on the basis of what they could bring to a tune rather than whether they could cop the last guys style. Hank Hill, Yep that would definitely be the brothers Douglas. Those guys are such a blessing to work with. Both play bass and drums so they understand each other's function. They've been playing together for most of their lives so they're on the same "clock." Not to mention that by the second chorus they've got gorgeous vocal backups. They make it so easy to play that it almost forces a person ( me at least ) to play better. But Mark lives 45 min to an hour away and Tim has a work schedule that doesn't allow for Friday night gigs, so I hesitate to call unless I have something good lined up. GDAWG, I ain't giving up. They're gonna have to pry a six string out of my hands to put me in that final road case. Just hopng I can find somebody of a similar mind set to play some fun old stuff and maybe stretch out on a little newer material. I have the "tux" band for corp. functions and the like. I think the acoustic duo/quartet might weather the current "dry" period.
Highway Star Contributing Member ********* Fairfax, VA Never confuse gear with talent.	May 22nd, 2012 10:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic I hear ya! I'm nudging 52 and already feeling it. But in my case, it's also a case of me changing. I'm a bit tired of bars, etc. and want to expand my horizons. I bought a double bass and it's been frustraing to learn how toplay, but it's a challenge I could use right now. My take on the subject
Stratmanx Contributing Member ********* Memphis, TN	May 22nd, 2012 01:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic You need to find a Plasmatics cover band.
gweimer OH Telling tales of drunkeness and cruelty	May 22nd, 2012 03:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic I decided to quit playing altogether last year. I did one reunion show with a band from 30 years ago for the Haymakers benefit outside Chicago (video on YouTube), and that was fun, but I'm done trying to pretend I want to be in a band. I'm passing the torch. If you can find work, and an audience, go for it!
Gary101 vero beach, fl That was broke	May 23rd, 2012 06:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic I went solo. It would be nice to bounce ideas off someone but other then that its relaxing. Do or don't do, play this or play that. Try to keep set up small and cost effective & chill.
Deacon Blues Contributing Member Stay interesting my friends.-The world's thirstiest man.	May 23rd, 2012 07:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic I turned 62 recently and only started playing in a "band situation for the last two years. It's been fun...and frustrating. The frustration is mainly from not playing out as much as I'd really like to, due to conflicts in schedules of other band members. I'd like to branch out more. As far as nailing guitar parts note for note, it ain't gonna happen. Wouldn't do it even if I could. I play as much for my own enjoyment as for those listening and if I'm not having fun it's not worth much to me. I'm a musician (I use the term loosely), not a technician. I don't aspire to being in an "A list" show band. That would suck all the fun and creativity out of the gig. I admire people that can do those things, but fail to understand that as the basic motivation for playing.
heynorm Omaha, USA	May 24th, 2012 12:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic Play what you feel in your soul. Ever notice how many bands/singers the longer they perform 'live' the more they change the performance delivery of their 'hits?"
shunka Contributing Member ***** Willoughby, OH , USA I'm arrogant and a moron	May 27th, 2012 08:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic As far as playing just like the record: I saw Hendrix live twice. Pretty sure he took a lot of liberties with his own solos. Most of the British bands didn't sound like any of the American bands that inspired them. I could go on. I'm well past the point of being "discovered," but I'm also past the point of worrying about it.
Deacon Blues Contributing Member Stay interesting my friends.-The world's thirstiest man.	May 28th, 2012 11:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic ^ Ditto, ad infinitum! Anyone expecting a note for note rendition from me will get a raised eyebrow, smirk, snicker or all three at the very least. Not that I could do it if I wanted to.
6 Cylinder Slim New England Shoes for Industry	May 30th, 2012 10:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic I think copying hit songs exactly is something that some musicians care about but isn't nearly as important to the crowd as the overall presentation of the songs. People do want to hear their favorite music, but if the featured performer/s can engage and entertain the people, nobody cares about arrangements or solo sections. The real trick to becoming a popular act is to have something on stage worth watching along with playing the stuff "everybody" wants to hear.
Dr Bass MD Contributing Member ********** * ProFootball HOF City Eat. Spit. Be Happy!	May 30th, 2012 10:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic "Fortunately, I have a bassist and a drummer that I'm pretty sure would be ready and happy to share a stage any time I could come up with a booking." That would be an affirmative. BTW - Tim got a new job within the Dept with no weekends (yay!). So Friday nights may be a little (a lot?) more palatable to him. FWIW - maybe we could do some unplugged sort of thing with the Cajon and a 'lite' setup? I think what we play goes over really well that way. Jerr seems to be knee-deep into songwriters circles and open mics these days....based on his FB sightings.
mjames520 USA	Jun 2nd, 2012 07:49 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic I turned 62 in May and have not played in bar bands in a lot of years. about 12 years ago I got hooked up with a southern Gospel Group here in Texas . We traveled and played in churches in Texas and New Mexico mostly but did do our "biggie" gig in some churches in Alabama and Georgia. After a few years the group got tired of traveling so we slacked up. I played with the Bass player and drummer in a contemporary church environment for 4 years and the opportunity came for me to play in a Cowboy Church. MY roots are country music so I jumped on the chance. Now besides church I do a twice a month restaurant gig with my wife and the Bass player and his wife from the Cowboy Church. My whole long post is to say there are always places for us Old guys to play . Sometimes it's better to play with a couple of old friends where you all know the material and sound good and can get in the groove without having to be a jukebox or cater to crowds you really do not like. One reason I quit the Bars so long ago was because I go tired of the drunks and the whole bar scene. Us older guys can bring a lot to the table and if younger bands want to imitate someone else it just goes to show they have no creativity and if you will listen most of the younger ones do not even have their own style of playing. Hang in and Enjoy your Music.

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