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FDP Forum / Performer's Corner / Chronologically frustrated.
(This message was last edited by 6 Cylinder Slim at 01:36 PM, Jun 2nd, 2012)
(This message was last edited by LadyJazzer at 10:03 PM, Jun 2nd, 2012)
FDP Forum / Performer's Corner / Chronologically frustrated.
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Highway Star
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Fairfax, VA
Never confuse gear with talent.May 22nd, 2012 10:19 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I hear ya! I'm nudging 52 and already feeling it. But in my case, it's also a case of me changing. I'm a bit tired of bars, etc. and want to expand my horizons.
I bought a double bass and it's been frustraing to learn how toplay, but it's a challenge I could use right now.
Stratmanx
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Memphis, TNMay 22nd, 2012 01:30 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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You need to find a Plasmatics cover band.
gweimer
OH
Telling tales of drunkeness and crueltyMay 22nd, 2012 03:36 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I decided to quit playing altogether last year. I did one reunion show with a band from 30 years ago for the Haymakers benefit outside Chicago (video on YouTube), and that was fun, but I'm done trying to pretend I want to be in a band. I'm passing the torch.
If you can find work, and an audience, go for it!
Gary101
vero beach, fl
That was brokeMay 23rd, 2012 06:33 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I went solo. It would be nice to bounce ideas off someone but other then that its relaxing. Do or don't do, play this or play that. Try to keep set up small and cost effective & chill.
Deacon Blues
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friends.-The world's thirstiest man.May 23rd, 2012 07:12 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I turned 62 recently and only started playing in a "band situation for the last two years. It's been fun...and frustrating. The frustration is mainly from not playing out as much as I'd really like to, due to conflicts in schedules of other band members.
I'd like to branch out more.
As far as nailing guitar parts note for note, it ain't gonna happen. Wouldn't do it even if I could. I play as much for my own enjoyment as for those listening and if I'm not having fun it's not worth much to me. I'm a musician (I use the term loosely), not a technician. I don't aspire to being in an "A list" show band. That would suck all the fun and creativity out of the gig. I admire people that can do those things, but fail to understand that as the basic motivation for playing.
heynorm
Omaha, USAMay 24th, 2012 12:21 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Play what you feel in your soul. Ever notice how many bands/singers the longer they perform 'live' the more they change the performance delivery of their 'hits?"
shunka
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Willoughby, OH , USA
I'm arrogant and a moronMay 27th, 2012 08:18 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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As far as playing just like the record: I saw Hendrix live twice. Pretty sure he took a lot of liberties with his own solos. Most of the British bands didn't sound like any of the American bands that inspired them. I could go on.
I'm well past the point of being "discovered," but I'm also past the point of worrying about it.
Deacon Blues
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friends.-The world's thirstiest man.May 28th, 2012 11:00 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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^
Ditto, ad infinitum!
Anyone expecting a note for note rendition from me will get a raised eyebrow, smirk, snicker or all three at the very least. Not that I could do it if I wanted to.
6 Cylinder Slim
New England
Shoes for IndustryMay 30th, 2012 10:26 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I think copying hit songs exactly is something that some musicians care about but isn't nearly as important to the crowd as the overall presentation of the songs. People do want to hear their favorite music, but if the featured performer/s can engage and entertain the people, nobody cares about arrangements or solo sections. The real trick to becoming a popular act is to have something on stage worth watching along with playing the stuff "everybody" wants to hear.
Dr Bass MD
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Eat. Spit. Be Happy!May 30th, 2012 10:35 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"Fortunately, I have a bassist and a drummer that I'm pretty sure would be ready and happy to share a stage any time I could come up with a booking."
That would be an affirmative. BTW - Tim got a new job within the Dept with no weekends (yay!). So Friday nights may be a little (a lot?) more palatable to him.
FWIW - maybe we could do some unplugged sort of thing with the Cajon and a 'lite' setup? I think what we play goes over really well that way. Jerr seems to be knee-deep into songwriters circles and open mics these days....based on his FB sightings.
mjames520
USAJun 2nd, 2012 07:49 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I turned 62 in May and have not played in bar bands in a lot of years. about 12 years ago I got hooked up with a southern Gospel Group here in Texas . We traveled and played in churches in Texas and New Mexico mostly but did do our "biggie" gig in some churches in Alabama and Georgia. After a few years the group got tired of traveling so we slacked up. I played with the Bass player and drummer in a contemporary church environment for 4 years and the opportunity came for me to play in a Cowboy Church. MY roots are country music so I jumped on the chance. Now besides church I do a twice a month restaurant gig with my wife and the Bass player and his wife from the Cowboy Church. My whole long post is to say there are always places for us Old guys to play . Sometimes it's better to play with a couple of old friends where you all know the material and sound good and can get in the groove without having to be a jukebox or cater to crowds you really do not like. One reason I quit the Bars so long ago was because I go tired of the drunks and the whole bar scene. Us older guys can bring a lot to the table and if younger bands want to imitate someone else it just goes to show they have no creativity and if you will listen most of the younger ones do not even have their own style of playing. Hang in and Enjoy your Music.
6 Cylinder Slim
New England
Shoes for IndustryJun 2nd, 2012 01:34 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I wouldn't say it's a lack of creativity of the musicians or the entire bar scene. If you want to play the bigger venues and bigger crowds, you have to broaden your appeal. There really isn't a choice unless you have hit songs of your own getting air play. There are bars where you can be more artistic and play originals and less well known music, but they are smaller and pay less. You do need to produce higher quality than the average tribute band in these places, but there is still a bar market for alternative music styles if you can adapt to smaller rooms and less money.
LadyJazzer
Colorado, USA
"You play pretty good--for a girl"Jun 2nd, 2012 10:02 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I quit doing "cover" silliness, and the "bar-band" thing about 20 years ago...(and I can promise Shunka that we're not that far apart in age...)
I got serious about learning how to create jazz backing-tracks in Band-in-a-Box, and bought the right equipment to run my computer through so that it really sounds like a live-band playing. (I also quit worrying about the "purist" stuff about working with electronics instead of real players.) The computer doesn't get sick; get into fights with its girlfriend; take another gig; show up late for rehearsals; get drunk or stoned in the parking lot; argue about what tunes it has to play; argue about how much it's getting paid, or what its share of the tip-jar is...
I just retired (after being away from my home-base for the last 6-1/2 years), and thought it would take me forever to get back into the local scene. I now have at least two gigs a week for the rest of the summer, and am working on setting up for the fall/winter. I play no more than 2-1/2 to 3 hours; it's a sit-down gig; no heavy PA equipment to deal with; no covers to learn; no more imitating bands (and players) I don't like... I play a jazz/piano lounge/restaurant once a week; art festivals; conventions; private parties, and I rarely walk away with less than $100-200/night in my pocket.
Trust me...There IS "life after cover bands and blues bands."
6 Cylinder Slim
New England
Shoes for IndustryJun 3rd, 2012 04:39 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Blues bands? Some of the most fun I've had in all my years of being a musician was playing for blues singers in bars. Sure, it is more dance band stuff than listening music, but the people at these venues don't expect copies and like a wide variety of music. These days, the word blues covers a lot of territory. Everything from jump to zydeco goes over with the blues crowd. They tend to be music lovers and are lots of fun to play for.
Deacon Blues
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Stay interesting my
friends.-The world's thirstiest man.Jun 3rd, 2012 08:07 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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LadyJazzer is the real deal here, folks. For those that don't know her.
Glad you are doing what you like to do, LJ.
Gaukdawg
Ohio
I'm with you fellers!Jun 4th, 2012 12:32 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Something else has happened recently that has given me hope for the future. I was recently diagnosed with Celiac Disease. It means I have a gluten allergy that has totally messed up my digestive track, has contibuted to many other health problems.
The good part is since I've found out and started medications and the proper diet. I am recovering and feeling much better. So much so that apparantly it was affecting my voice. I have begun to get back some notes in my upper register and strength and endurance as well. Plus I'm feeling much more energetic too. So maybe I can stave off the aging effects and last a little longer in the gigging world.
So I guess it's a plug to go see your doctor. Some of my symptoms I've had for more than 10 years and they just never added up to Celiac Disease. Finally enough different things happened and the connection was made. Mine was extreme enemia. I was almost going to have to get a blood transfusion due to low iron in the blood causing heavy fatigue.
Dr Bass MD
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Eat. Spit. Be Happy!Jun 5th, 2012 06:08 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"I quit doing "cover" silliness, and the "bar-band" thing about 20 years ago...(and I can promise Shunka that we're not that far apart in age...).....I got serious about learning how to create jazz backing-tracks in Band-in-a-Box....I play a jazz/piano lounge/restaurant once a week.....Trust me...There IS "life after cover bands and blues bands."
While I respect the giblets and stamina it takes to be a self-sufficient band-in-a-box, I'm not sure jazz/piano bar venues are for everyone...and am taken aback a bit at the notion a bar or cover band is 'silly'. I was at a restaurant this last Saturday listening to a jazz 3-piece group. They were all very talented, but were clearly 'background'. I'm sure they made good money, but I would find it to be incredibly boring playing wall-paper gigs as a rule. There's an energy and rush that accompanies getting people up dancing and singing along to 'silly' covers that no jazz ensemble can match. JMHO
Deacon Blues
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Stay interesting my
friends.-The world's thirstiest man.Jun 5th, 2012 06:15 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Having experienced both, I think both have their own rewards. Being a jazz/wallpaper/lounge style act is satisfying on a different level, to me, than getting people up and shakin' that thang. I enjoy doing both.
LadyJazzer
Colorado, USA
"You play pretty good--for a girl"Jun 6th, 2012 12:16 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"LadyJazzer is the real deal here, folks. For those that don't know her.
Glad you are doing what you like to do, LJ." -- Deacon Blues
Thanks for the kind words!... Yep, I'm having a ball, and adding more gigs all the time... :-)
6 Cylinder Slim
New England
Shoes for IndustryJun 6th, 2012 04:00 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I'm facing this decision myself right now. For the past two years I've been playing guitar for a very talented country singer. He mixes current top 40 with pumped up versions of classics and doing it well enough that we can play the bigger venues along with the classic rock and tribute bands. It's been fun and different for me, but now he's moving back down south and I have to decide if I want to find another mainstream type of gig or do I go off on my own and try to sell the type of music I want to play. Pretty sure I'm going to try putting my own trio together and sticking to music I like even though I'll be playing far less than I am now. I'll either survive in the marketplace or I won't, but at some point it's worth a try to be yourself and see if enough people like what you do to keep playing live shows. Glad to see LJ having success with her music. Shows it can be done. Maybe I can do it too. Not sure. I'll be wandering pretty far off the mainstream.
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