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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Stratocasters / What makes a vintage reissue '57 or '62 a more expensive strat than an american standard ?
(This message was last edited by StratQuebec at 07:09 AM, Jun 10th, 2012)
(This message was last edited by VGP at 02:35 PM, Jun 11th, 2012)
FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Stratocasters / What makes a vintage reissue '57 or '62 a more expensive strat than an american standard ?
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CheapShoes
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Midwest USA
Ride, shoot straight, speak the truthJun 9th, 2012 08:11 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I think the difference in price is due to the FDP, fender forum, and Strat pages. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but let's be honest people. Demand and esoteric fascination are what's likely driving costs north.
StratQuebec
Canada
It's time to get it!Jun 9th, 2012 12:19 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Value vs quality is always a subjective topic. In the end it's a personnal decision. I know I woulldn't be happy with a MIM no matter if it is well made. [EDITED: MIM strats are indeed excellent guitars, very well made and play great. It is just that for my next purchase, and to me it's a lot of money spent, I wish to own a 100% made an crafted in America product. ]
I'm presently very happy with my Squier CV 60 and it plays, sounds and feels way way better than a MIM, to me. The neck especially is perfect for my hand. I barely play my American strat now.
All the American Strat have a 43 mm nut width and a wider srting spacing. It seems I'm more comfortable with the vintage specs. I'm confident to find in the AVRI 62 an axe that will suit my playing well, that swill soud great and that will be well built.
shg
StrayaJun 10th, 2012 04:40 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"I know I woulldn't be happy with a MIM no matter if it is well made."
Just...wtf.
StratQuebec
Canada
It's time to get it!Jun 10th, 2012 07:07 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Usually I do not respond to comments like "wtf" but I must give a precision on what I said. MIM strats are indeed excellent guitars, very well made and play great. It is just that for my next purchase, and to me it's a lot of money spent, I wish to own a 100% made an crafted in America product.
jhawkr
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Final Four!Jun 10th, 2012 07:17 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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All things being equal, I'll opt for the MIA every time. That said, there are several models of MIM Fenders, like the Baja Tele, the re-issue Mustangs, etc. that have no reasonable MIA counterpart. I do own MIM, MIK, MIJ, MIC guitars in addition to my MIA guitars.
It's not "all about" playability. There is resale value, quality of hardware and other factors to consider. I have guitars, MIA and MIJ that have actually increased in value in as little as 7-8 years. (i.e. Gibson J-45, $1350 new; Casino Elite, $780 new). They all have to have good playability and good tone.
VGP
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Why not make 10 louder? - These go to 11Jun 11th, 2012 02:28 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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StratQuebec - If you want the AVRI '62, get the AVRI '62.
You want a Fender branded Stratocaster, nitro finish, early 60's appointments, sunburst.
Your post about your experience from when you were 16 sums it up.
Hell, if you want to go all out (but not go truly vintage) get a CS '60 NOS. $3300.
If you don't go CS and you can afford it but want to have a keeper just to look at but want to play as well, buy two AVRIs and keep one under the bed.
Or...get an AVRI '62 and a MIM Road Worn 60's in sunburst.
Sounds to me that you don't necessarily want a guitar, you want to recapture that experience from when you were 16. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
StratQuebec
Canada
It's time to get it!Jun 11th, 2012 03:00 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Yeah VGP, 7
"If you don't go CS and you can afford it but want to have a keeper just to look at but want to play as well, buy two AVRIs and keep one under the bed."
I tought of that but It would be crazy, financially speaking. But life is crazy isn't it !
I'll see. If I can't' stop playing the RI 62, I'm gonna have a problem!
I'll make some phones calls to see if any strores around carry the MIM road worn 60's and give it a try but the best would be to own two 62 RI, indeed!
Tyrone Shuz
USA
I'm all in!Jun 11th, 2012 03:55 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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jhawkr: "It's not "all about" playability."
For me it is. And tone. Pure and simple. If I'm buying a guitar to play, I don't plan on selling it.
And most folks sell wood quality short. Guess what, folks? It matters. A lot.
If you're a player, you may wish to bypass the AVRI '57 and '62 and get the Hot Rod versions, with bigger frets, beefier necks (in the '62's case anyway) and flatter board.
I love the HR '62 Strat.
I also love the MIM Roadworns.
I prefer both of these to the AmStd strat. I can feel and hear the difference, but that's just me.
StratQuebec
Canada
It's time to get it!Jun 11th, 2012 04:25 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Beefy neck is a concern to me. It affects my playing. I'm way more comfortable on the Squier classic vibe 60 strat (42 mm nut and thin neck) than with my Amse. I feel I'm a better player with the CV. If the 62 RI neck fits my hand as well as the CV does, the 62 RI may become my main strat.
Btw guys, I'm very grateful for all your comments and help. Great people here. Thanks so much. Still 'bout 4 weeks of waiting before the new strat arrive. The real pleasure is in the waiting in the end !
jhawkr
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Final Four!Jun 11th, 2012 07:01 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Tyrone, as you are a professional guitarist, I totally understand your position. Your guitars are tools to you. But, I would think that most guitar owners have many differing reasons for buying what they buy.
Tyrone Shuz
USA
I'm all in!Jun 11th, 2012 10:05 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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jhawkr--yes, you are correct, and that's why I said "for me it is". Lots of folks buy, hang onto, then flip for a profit, kind of like owning a guitar for a few years for free because they'll break even or better over time, or perhaps lose so little that it costs 'em pennies a day to own.
But even before I was a pro, I wanted my guitars to scream, "PLAY ME!" A really great guitar isn't happy on a stand or in a case, they demand to be played with some regularity, and I'm happy to oblige.
Now, the OP has his preferences, so he'll probably really really like the AV's. There's big tone in big necks, but not everybody likes 'em. I will say though, that most big necks can be gotten used to with not too much effort, a few months of solid practice or so. I had to, and I'm happy I got used to 'em. But they're not for everybody.
I think the OP will be very happy with his purchase.
Tyrone Shuz
USA
I'm all in!Jun 11th, 2012 10:08 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Oh, and yes, my guitars are "tools", according to the IRS, and in reality, they are. But damn, to me, they are /so/ much more than that. I have one or two that are just tools, but I have a special bond with all my real keepers. I'm truly fortunate to experience these lovelies through the course of my working day.
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