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FDP Forum / Fender Bass Guitars and Bass Amps / Bass Volume
(This message was last edited by aerodyne at 08:09 PM, May 30th, 2012)
(This message was last edited by digiboy at 02:29 PM, May 31st, 2012)
FDP Forum / Fender Bass Guitars and Bass Amps / Bass Volume
aerodyne
USAMay 30th, 2012 05:18 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Sometimes at gigs just when I think I'm hearing a great "stage mix",someone will come up to me and say "turn up ur bass more"!
So I'll nudge it up a bit and then the drummer is telling me I'm too loud!
Who should I be listening to? Aero
barry.b
australiaMay 30th, 2012 07:10 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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the audience, provided you can trust them.
there is an equation that deals with punter hearing
more beer == more defness || lack of common sense.
aerodyne
USAMay 30th, 2012 08:09 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Barry.b...well said!:>)
Anyone else ever experience this?
I'm thinking about foam under my cabs since this usually occures when we play some kind of riser in the clubs.aero
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Covering it all from A to BMay 31st, 2012 08:09 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"Who should I be listening to?"
Your soundman.
Just because someone in the audience wants subsonic rumble or knock-me-over lows does it make it right for your band's sound.
Vince A
USA/Modesto, CAMay 31st, 2012 11:34 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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+1 . . . the soundman . . .
Smuggit
UK - EnglandMay 31st, 2012 11:50 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I've had this from a past drummer - and like you it mostly happened when on a hollow wooden stage at one venue. We didn't have a sound guy so had to sound check by going out into the audience area with long leads/wireless beforehand. He was always wrong, and it wasn't too loud - especially as I use 4 x10s which don't even focus the sound until you're way in front of the stage. Drummers get the immediate floor vibrations.
Of course, most drummers don't pick up on this because their brains vibrate anyway.
bassilisk
New York City, USAMay 31st, 2012 02:30 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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We have no reinforcement and the venues we do don't typically have in-house PA's, so it's stage volume only for us.
We were in a dance club where it could get loud, and it seemed my sound was "filtered". Certain notes, particularly low E seemed non-existent, no body or girth. I was pretty frustrated but didn't want to get into a volume war on stage. As it happened a good friend showed up (also a bass player) and told me that at the back of the room he could hear every note I played very clearly, excellent tone and not too loud at all.
I've found that for the bass to sit well in the mix out front it will usually sound too loud on stage. The band thinks I'm blowing them out (especially the guitar player) when in reality pushing out all those low frequencies with a nice tone means exactly that. It's a difficult situation since we don't have a sound man and I can never trust the singers (who work the PA) to tell me what I sound like in the mix. It's only when another bass player shows up that I can get good information. Often it's totally contrary to what I think I'm hearing on stage.
aerodyne
USAMay 31st, 2012 03:56 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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...I had a feelin' there were others!
How about the foam thing under the cabs?
Anyone tell me about these?? aero
digiboy
New York CityMay 31st, 2012 04:27 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Best option is to have a sound man who you know and can trust his judgement to get it right. Maybe next best option would be a friend in the audience who you trust. Outside of that, I wouldn't go with any one single opinion. If 2 or more people in the audience say it's too loud or whatever, that might be an OK call. Really hard to tell with bass becuase different areas of the room and the stage can be very different acoustically.
I once went to audition where the leader ( the drummer) kept tellin me he liked what I was playing but I needed to turn down. He kept telling me and I kept backing it down more and more. Finally I turned the gain completely off and just pretended to play. He said that sounded good!!! Well I guess it would have been an easy gig but I passed. Cracked me up after that when occasionally I would see their ad pop up again on Craigs looking for another new bass player.
bassilisk
New York City, USAMay 31st, 2012 04:31 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I use Auralex pads often. When the stage is chintzy or hollow, or you're forced into a corner let's say, they really work to clear up the sound. Definitely cuts down on standing waves or hot frequencies. For the times when you don't want the coupling effect these are the ticket.
I just picked up and started using a Baer ML112 - a truly amazing piece of gear. I still can't get over how a 112 (with a 6" midrange instead of a tweeter) can produce so much full, focused, articulate sound and tone, especially at low volume. Cranked it'll punch you in the chest. Anyway, instead of using the pad I picked up one of those urethane Amp Wedges that tilts the front back up to 20 degrees. You pick the amount. This accomplishes the same thing with the smaller cabinet and I'm liking the results very much.
aerodyne
USAMay 31st, 2012 06:11 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Thanks bassilisk,we got a gig coming up at said venues,Big hollow wooden stage,big room.
Gonna try some foam and quietly turn it up(oxymoron)and see what happens;>)before I purchase a real auralex$$$.
Thanks for the input.aero
Lewis
USA
Who is E. Sandoval?May 31st, 2012 09:00 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"Of course, most drummers don't pick up on this because their brains vibrate anyway"
What do you call a guy who likes to hang out with musicians? A drummer!
Thank you. Thank you very much. I'll be here all week!
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