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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: Vintage (before 1985) / SFPR vs Maz18?
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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: Vintage (before 1985) / SFPR vs Maz18?
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tjnies
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Go Penguins!Jun 7th, 2012 03:59 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I currently have a Dr Z Maz18. Great amp, and a looker to boot. I installed a Brakelite to cut the volume for my home playing. BTW I do not gig at all.
Also have a '65 VibroChamp that is quite nice. Guitars are Tele and an ES335.
I keep having a nagging feeling this is too much amp for home. I have a chance for a '78 Princeton Reverb, from the same guy that sold me the VC, fully gone over for caps etc.
I don't like a lot of equipment, and if I could find that "one", I'd be glad to sell everything else.
Can anyone who has played both the Maz and SFPR give me the tonal differences and general opinion?
littleuch
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T-boned and puncturedJun 7th, 2012 06:42 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Maz = EL84's, Princeton = 6V6's. Apples and potatoes.
I've had a Maz + 1x12 cab, very loud. I borrowed my bandmates 73 SFPR and while it still can get loud there is no comparison. I was able to break the PR up a bit at a semi-unruly volume. The only way I could do that with the Maz was with the master volume.
My only concern would be value. Is the 78 a master volume/pull pot design? You might just sell the Maz and keep your eye out for an older Princeton.
littleuch
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T-boned and puncturedJun 7th, 2012 06:51 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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What MAZ model do you have, a combo or head/cab? If yours has 10's then my description may not apply.
The PR will have better reverb (if your MAZ is a reverb model), great vibrato, crisper highs, not so prolific low end *thunk* as the MAZ. No adjustment for mids on the PR.
SpiroGiro
YorkshireUKJun 7th, 2012 07:56 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I always liked the Dr Z Route 66 but was pleasantly surprised to find that my Fender Supersonic 60 can give same tone and vibe....
Deacon Blues
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friends.-The world's thirstiest man.Jun 7th, 2012 08:31 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Apples and oranges, or what Littleuch said. The Maz is more Marshall/Vox tone wise, and the PR is very much a Fender.
If you like what the Vibro Champ does, you'll like the PR even more. But, it won't do what the Maz will do, and the Maz won't do what the Princeton can do.
Also, I'd keep an eye out for an older PR. One without the "pull boost" function. Although, if you never engage the "pull boost" they do sound pretty much the same. I just prefer less circuitry in an amp.
tjnies
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Go Penguins!Jun 7th, 2012 10:58 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I was aware that the Maz won't sound like the PR, but wanted to know the sonic differences.
Mine is a 1x12 combo with reverb. I have a pic in my profile. Frankly the reverb is pretty weak on these, I can turn it up quite far in comparison to any Fender I've played. I love the tremolo of the VC, but the 8" speaker farts out too soon for some of the higher-gain songs I play.
Perhaps the real answer is to get an extension cab on the VC. My thought was that a Princeton reverb would have nice gain at lower volumes than the Maz.
I feel like the Maz is one of those "prized posessions", my first boutique amp, so I'm being cautious about giving it up. However, I just learned that Dr Z announced a new amp (M12) which is reasonably priced and although it lacks tremolo, might at least deliver the lower volumes I'm after.
tjnies
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Go Penguins!Jun 7th, 2012 05:22 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Update: Non-issue, the SFPR was sold.
littleuch
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T-boned and puncturedJun 7th, 2012 07:20 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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FTR, I really liked my Maz 18 but am more about the Fender sound and understand the query. I do want an older PR someday. If you don't gig and covet the Fender sound then the Princeton makes perfect sense.
carsten
on the rhineJun 8th, 2012 09:30 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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hi tjnies!
Besides the fact that the PR is sold already - it won´t have any "gain" to speak of at neighbourhood-friendly volumes.
I have a ´79 PR (pull-boost and all) and it´s one of my favourite amps - but it´s really loud for playing around the house.
I can´t get it to break-up without the neighours calling for the cops ;-)
I still think it sounds a lot better than a Champ/Vibro-Champ!
cheers - C.
tjnies
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Go Penguins!Jun 8th, 2012 11:32 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Well, might be back in business.
Found an early 70's SFPR, original cover, paperwork, and seems really clean. Sounds good too.
Only want $650, assume I'll need to recap.
Question: with humbuckers, neck p'up, speaker really buzzes / farts out. Not so much the bridge. Normal?
carsten
on the rhineJun 8th, 2012 11:37 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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hi tjnies!
that sounds like a very good deal!
the buzzing/farting could be any number of things - tubes, caps, speaker...
I´d buy it and take care of the neck-hb later ;-)
cheers - C.
jazzguy
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don't dream it.....be itJun 8th, 2012 11:49 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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could be a blown speaker.
don't let that stop you though, the originals are crummy [except the circa '66-'67 models that came w/a Jensen]
slap a Weber 10" in there and you'll be partying, $650's a good deal no matter how you slice it
tjnies
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Go Penguins!Jun 8th, 2012 11:56 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I agree good price. Actually it has a Jensen speaker in it now. But I really like Webers, so would replace regardless.
Hey Jazz, side note: you liking the "Flyers West" in the Stanley Cup finals?
jazzguy
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don't dream it.....be itJun 8th, 2012 12:20 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I posted about that in the Cup Finals thread.
Richards, Carter, Gagne, Hextall, Stevens et all are going to get their 1st Cup and we're @ 37 yrs and counting in 'real' Flyers country.
now go get that amp before it's gone!
tjnies
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Go Penguins!Aug 13th, 2012 06:11 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Update: thsat SFPR was gone when I went to buy.
However, I bid on a '68 drip-edge, but lost auction by $10!. A couple days later then seller contacts me and says the winner was from Japan, and they don't ship international. SO he gave me a chance to buy at my bid price. I accepted, and should be receiving later this week!
The amp evidently belonged to a member of his dad's orchestra, and so was well-played in its day. Can't wait to see how it compares / contrasts to the Maz.
6 Cylinder Slim
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Shoes for IndustryAug 15th, 2012 03:26 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I think you're going to be happy with your decision. Hard to go wrong with an amp like that. A relatively simple, hand wired circuit that every amp tech is familiar with and can always be repaired. The clean tone is so rich that I never bother with overdrive when I play mine at home. I have an overdrive pedal that I use for some tunes in the band, but overdrive sounds are easy to come by. Not many amps can equal the cleans from a PR.
carsten
on the rhineAug 15th, 2012 11:00 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Hi!
"...overdrive sounds are easy to come by. Not many amps can equal the cleans from a PR."
I think Slim is right on!
I play my PR at home a lot and just enjoy the clean tones most of the time.
If I need some OD I just throw a stomp-box in front - it´s hard to get a bad sound from this amp ;-)
cheers - C.
P.S.:
heres a little clip with my PR:
tjnies
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Go Penguins!Aug 17th, 2012 06:49 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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My PR arrived yesterday. Turned it on, played a bit. It's going to the tech today, as pots are really scratchy, and reverb doesn't seem to work.Plus I want him to check caps etc and install a 3-prong plug.
Sounds pretty good, but this one breaks up pretty quickly (around 3 on the volume). Sounds wonderful with my Tele!
BTW, great clip Carsten!
KnowledgeSeeker
USAAug 17th, 2012 09:27 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Breaking up at 3 is not typical of a healthy PR. You may like that but sounds like some components have drifted or just tired and need to be R and R'd.
Enjoy it!!!
tjnies
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Go Penguins!Aug 17th, 2012 07:51 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Actually, after cleaning the tubes, the early breakup is gone.
It's now clean up to around 7. When I took it to the tech I mentioned this and he suggested the cleaning may have caused the change in tone.
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