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FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / Our bandleader got a Kemper Profiling Amp for studio work...
FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / Our bandleader got a Kemper Profiling Amp for studio work...
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Standard24
San Antonio, TexasJul 26th, 2012 09:11 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I haven't seen it yet, but with it, you mike up an amp you like, and it sends some wacky signals to your amp, to copy it's response. Then you can take your favorite amps with you in a lunchbox sized amp. He did say he copied his BF Dual Showman and it mimicked it perfectly. Apparently you can exchange profiles with others on the web and keep thousands on a flash drive. He also has an AXE FX, which sounds awesome. I think either would be more than fine in studio work.
BrentD
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My CVR is noisy, but so is my playing!Jul 26th, 2012 09:14 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Does it have a power amp built in, or is it just a preamp? I have always wondered this.
reverendrob
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you have done so well...Jul 26th, 2012 09:44 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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It's just a preamp. I'd like to see one in person, but it's an interesting concept if it works somewhat well.
I was turned off by a guy who basically spammed every forum on earth promoting it; I'd never buy a new one simply based on one bad salesman.
Then again if I wanted to go for broke I'd just get a Roland VG99 and be done with it all.
BrentD
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My CVR is noisy, but so is my playing!Jul 26th, 2012 10:04 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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So do they recommend a specific kind of power amp and speaker cab for it? It seems great for silent recording if it's just a preamp, but that all goes out the window if you pair it with a crappy (as in incompatible) power stage.
urby
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Warshington StateJul 26th, 2012 10:21 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"I was turned off by a guy who basically spammed every forum on earth promoting it; I'd never buy a new one simply based on one bad salesman.'
That guy definitely had an agenda. I remember him.
rfrakes331K
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RonHalen Jokingly He SaysJul 26th, 2012 10:55 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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If these work someone who has a Dumble could post a patch for such. I have had a few modeling pods. It seems they soulnd good at first, then a certain amount of buzzy or tinney becomes apparent. I tired quickly of the emulations.
Standard24
San Antonio, TexasJul 26th, 2012 11:27 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I don't know if Dumble is profiled in the stored presets... If not, I'm sure someone will make them available on the internet.
I wonder what might come out, if you profiled an amp with a stomp box in line? Or several amps at once... A FenderMarshallDrZTrainwreckSupro.
The bottom line for me is... Does a studio "pro" need this stuff more than just a couple of good amps? It's too bad they weren't able to make any good records in the 60's cause they didn't have any digital equipment.
Vic Vega
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Happy to be at the top of the food chainJul 26th, 2012 01:12 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I found an amp that I love and pedals that really work well with it. I now have my own sound that I like.
Not a big fan of amp models, myself.
Tyrone Shuz
USA
I'm all in!Jul 26th, 2012 02:53 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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If this thing works and is "all that" I can see it replacing my POD. It's nice to have a lot of great sounds on tap w/o schlepping a bunch of amps around.
It would probably be great for a T-40/variety act where you'd do everything from "Le Freak" to "Enter Sandman".
I, like Vic, love my rig, it's my tone, it sounds awesome, but every now and then, I need a sound that's outside my rig's scope. I have a Crunch Box for that, and it works great, but it will only get me one extra sound unless I wanna kneel down a lot.
Rock 'n' Roll has experienced dozens/hundreds more guitar sounds since the '60's, so if you play music that's older than say, '65, you'll need a bunch of sounds on tap.
It might not be for you, or for me, but I can certainly see its uses, and the demos I've heard sound pretty darn convincing. I can see getting it for recording, not sure how it'll do live, because I've never been in front of one.
jay1vinton
Hawaii, USA
Perfect is the enemy of good enoughJul 26th, 2012 03:31 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I had heard that they were going to make a model with a power amp section because lots of players kinda lost interest in an amp you could not connect to a cab.
The invention is great in it's own right, but maybe that detail needs correcting in order to get some sales. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you need to own or be at least able to use the amp you are wanting to model??? Or do they have preselects programmed in??
reverendrob
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you have done so well...Jul 26th, 2012 05:41 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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There's stuff programmed in and you can download other people's samples.
The big problem with it from what I can tell is it's a snapshot of that particular setting, it doesn't adjust/morph like the actual amps.
And in that regard, some of the newer modelling stuff elsewhere is decent - may not be exactly a clone of X, but very very usable sounds abound with programming.
Mike DeTorrice
USAJul 26th, 2012 08:59 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Well, actually, it does appear "morph" to a large extent, even from a snapshot of the amp in (let's say) a clean configuration. In one demo, a particular guitarist simply profiled his favorite Fender amp set pretty clean and then "turned up" the volume knob on the Kemper Profile, producing a great overdrive that the guitarist indicated sounded and felt very much like his tube amp,
It does seem that profiling the amp at perhaps both a cleaner and an overdriven setting would probably get even more impressive and accurate results and then one could switch between various settings that best capture the feel you want from that amplifiers "real" profile.
Kemper is profiling/capturing a number of great amplifiers from everywhere and offering these for download. I think the amp already comes with 50 highly desired tube amps stored on-board with room for many more either from one's own captures, or from Kemper, or from friends profiles of their own amplifiers.
As pointed out in one video I saw, the Kemper even now has a space in the back reserved for a forthcoming power amp, with the connector already in place back there. So, it seems it will be able to be a stand-alone and/or use other power amps of one's choosing for on-stage work.
reverendrob
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you have done so well...Jul 26th, 2012 09:06 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Without multiple sample points in the continuum of gain and reaction, it's pretty much the same as the rest of the pack of modellers except that it can mimic a particular amp of your choosing etc. at a particular setting.
The basic "add gain as it's turned up" works for generic linear overdrive stuff, and is already done fairly well on the newer L6, Fender, and Roland stuff, it just lacks 'this is my amp' which frankly I'm not sure is worth the price of admission over other stuff.
At a grand, maybe. But not at what they're asking.
I'll stick with what I have at this point, the Axe stuff seems to be more versatile across the board when it comes to the effects section as well - if I needed to step up for some reason that's the route I'd likely take.
Built in power amp doesn't do much for me, as it'd just be another 'hook it into the PA/powered monitor' setup, or adjust settings so it sounded decent through a cleanish SS amp.
It would have been absolutely revolutionary say five or six years ago.
Now it's just one of many out there, with the one trick distinguishing it from the rest.
I'd love to see a shootout between it and say a Mustang III or a HD500 from someone not repping for one of the manufacturers.
Standard24
San Antonio, TexasJul 26th, 2012 09:54 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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My friend did a session with it the other day. Said it sounded great. I asked it it responded the way his amp did (to pick attack etc.). He said it felt just like playing the amp.
I have read that Axe FX will now be offering this profiling ability in their new units.
Rick Plays The Blues
Austria
May I try that again?Jul 26th, 2012 10:52 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I love my glowing tubes and small painted boxes and would never give all that away for anything digital :)
Yet I follow the news on digital modeling quite interested and have a listen now and then.
I'd honestly be interested in a blind comparison of this Kemper with an AxeFX, Pod HD and Mustang Floor.
By now (without blind testing) I always had a first impression of being blown away by the quality just to finally come to the conclusion that neither do I need all the possibilities and different sounds, nor does it actually sound as good or better than what I have.
Standard24
San Antonio, TexasJul 27th, 2012 09:44 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Rick,
This guy has many awesome tube amps. Dr Z, Mesa, Fenders, etc. Also an AXE FX. This is for studio use. Why carry an amp and cab, when a lunchbox will do the job and the client is happy? He's not playing for his own enjoyment, in which case he'd probably plug into an amp.
urby
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Warshington StateJul 27th, 2012 12:06 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I can't believe it but I am agreeing with Vic Vega on this one. 8v)
I have a half dozen amps. Each were bought because they have a tone I am especially fond of. I can get a sound that is pleasing to me and they produce that sound as perfectly as I can get it. Plus, I can make each amp vary to degrees only limited to the amp's capabilities, so the sound is totally unique to the amp. I know what I'm dealing with.
I find that too many options are counter productive.
Even with the POD I only use two or three amp models. When I first got the thing I was spending more time tweaking that thing than playing. I finally said to myself that I'm only going to be creative with this thing by finding a few good tones. It's too much and I believe the same would be true with the Kemper.
Mike DeTorrice
USAJul 27th, 2012 10:12 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I find it unfortunate that some people will do anything to dismiss this technology out of hand, regardless of what is explained or demonstrated.
It appears the profiling sequence that the tube amplifier is put through by the Kemper program does capture the amp at a variety of points ..... so it's really NOT just at ' ... at a particular setting".
As for "too many options", the same excuse has been used for virtually all Mesa/Boogie amps and it really doesn't really apply reasonably to them either. It's actually pretty straightforward and any additional features one can generally ignore and simply not use. It's hard to believe a few extra "fine-tuning" or added control points would overwhelm someone.
Deacon Blues
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friends.-The world's thirstiest man.Jul 28th, 2012 07:49 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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We're guitarist. It doesn't take much to overwhelm us.
bluesbreak
USAJul 30th, 2012 07:08 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Where the H*## have you guys been? The Kemper Profiling Amp has been all over the music internet for the last 18 months. The KPA is not the usual modeler you're use to. I suggest you do an internet search and youtube search and check this thing out. A good friend owns a KPA and I was at his studio when he profiled a Fender Vibro King and I'm telling you right now, The KPA nailed it. The KPA comes with 200 profiled amps. It's just ridicules how good this thing really is. I can't stand modelers because they sound like and feel like you're playing through a stereo instead of an amp. The KPA responds to pick dynamics and your guitars volume and tone control like the amp it profiled. And by the way, there are a lot of guys using the KPA in their live rig.
Check out what a couple session guys in a Nasnville Studio had to say about the KPA.
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