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stl80
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Jun 4th, 2018 08:06 AM   Edit   Profile  

My Twin and vintage Hagstrom II are made for each other.
Jim

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Jul 30th, 2018 05:26 PM   Edit   Profile  

I just added wheels to my Fender Twin RI and its all good. The only lifting is putting it in and out of the car.

Tony F

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Sep 14th, 2018 02:57 PM   Edit   Profile  

Some years ago I was in a band that did a lot of outdoor shows. The other guitar player had a 65 RI Twin, one show I remember we were loud on stage and he was able to push it remember no master volume on the 65 RI I think it was around 7 or 8 on the dial and it was singing out some of the best tone I ever heard but even so there was no way I would consider humping that monster to shows.

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Nov 11th, 2018 04:58 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yup. With the volume up around 7 the Twins really start to shine. I have only had mine up that loud once and that was in an isolation booth in the studio. Marvelous tone. A bit of a bite on top of a thundering midrange.

I made the mistake of putting JBL K120's in it when I got it to replace the Oxfords that came in it stock. Big mistake. Too bright, heavy, and louder than a 747. I found a pair of vintage Jensen C12N's that came out of an old Wurlitzer organ on ebay. I put them in and all was right with the world. They made the Twin a lot more controllable, lighter, and it really sounds good.

larryguitar19
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Nov 12th, 2018 10:05 AM   Edit   Profile  

Awhile back I did an outdoor show at a festival in Key West. I ran my Tele into a TRRI '65 dialed in somewhere around 5 to 6.

Because it was outdoors and the amp was tilted back I was interested in the metrics. So I had a decibel meter and took some readings at various distances.

I cannot recall the precise readings but I do remember about 12 inches from the speakers it was hitting around 110 db+ at the peaks.

But where I was standing about 10 to 12 feet it was comfortable in the 85 db range which was just about right for that application.

If I had been indoors at a club at that level I think the back wall would have crumbled.

Indiana Mike
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Mar 16th, 2019 06:26 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have a TRRI and it is by far my best sounding amp. As has been mentioned, they sound great at low volumes too. For years mine was literally a bedroom amp. I kept it in my upstairs bedroom and it was a pain to lug up and down the narrow stairs so I just played it up there. I have a Carr Mercury that gets all my playing time now. It's a fine amp but can't equal the clean, "3D" chime the Twin does.

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Aug 17th, 2019 09:49 PM   Edit   Profile  

Jus got home from an outdoor gig where i used my '70 Twin. For a Fender guy like me, there's no substitute for the horsepower and 2-12's. Even my dyed-in-the-wool Marshall bandmate had to admit the old gal was singing tonight.
Right now I'm running a mismatched pair of 16 ohm Warehouse G12C and G12C/S speakers. I understand running an 8 ohm total load on an amp designed for 4 results in a loss of volume and brightness, but for this amp that might not be as bad thing. Running the volume between 4 and 5 all night seemed to be a sweet spot!

(This message was last edited by swampyankee at 11:54 PM, Aug 17th, 2019)

pcalu

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Aug 18th, 2019 06:38 AM   Edit   Profile  

Outdoor or Indoor it doesn't matter, a Twin is where it's at.

In the past (with a decent luggage carrier) I have gigged a Twin Reverb. I wouldn't hesitate today if I want/need that sound and control.

What is wattage anyway? All this talk about Twin Reverbs being overkill is IMO a lot of nonsense. How I see it, my 75 TR being 85 watts delivers 40+ watts to each speaker. As far as loudness (DBLs) there isn't a whole lot of difference between a 15-22watt amp and a 40-watt amp.

I often run my single 1x12 amps louder than I do/ or do my Twin. (and my ears pay for it the next day...)

And then, who dimes a Twin Reverb for overdrive? Seriously... No one... Why would you? It would run counter to the purpose/premise of having a Twin Reverb (i.e. to have clean headroom at gig volumes)

IMHO Twin Reverbs are the Cadillacs of the Fender amp line. They sound great at any level, because of this the TR is very versatile as far as venues go. Weight is the only factor. I use a luggage carrier and some bungee cords. Two lifts, one out of the car, one into the car.


reverendrob
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Aug 18th, 2019 05:10 PM   Edit   Profile  

I actually like a dimed TR, providing I'm not in the primary blast.

That plus a LP with traditionalish pickups: instant Sex Pistols!


Leftee
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Aug 18th, 2019 05:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

But now there’s a new TR in town and it weighs 33 lbs.

swampyankee
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olde New England

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Aug 20th, 2019 01:22 PM   Edit   Profile  

"How I see it, my 75 TR being 85 watts delivers 40+ watts to each speaker."

Even though the SFTR is rated at 100 watts. But from all accounts there is no real difference between the power of a BFTR and a SFTR. The 100 watts was all marketing hype. As far as I'm concerned, my '70 SFTR is an 85 watt machine.

pcalu

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Aug 20th, 2019 06:32 PM   Edit   Profile  

+1 Up until ULs of 1976 Before that... If they were indeed 100 watts and not a marketing gimmick, then they up' ed the operating voltage. That said, my BF'ed 1975 Twin Reverb is indeed 85 watts.

***Nothing like standing in front of my Twin Reverb on stage, set about 3-4 (nice gig volume) I can hear myself wherever I walk and don't have to rely on the monitors. Of course smaller venues I'll usually bring something that's a 1x12 and less wattage. The right tool for the job and all... However!!!! all depends really on how loud the venue is. P.A no P.A. I've played some small clubs that I thought to myself "Damn it" I should have brought a bigger amp... I can barely hear myself! (the crowd and the acoustics being loud as F#%k!)

ninworks
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Sep 1st, 2019 05:50 AM   Edit   Profile  

"As far as loudness (DBLs) there isn't a whole lot of difference between a 15-22watt amp and a 40-watt amp."

You are correct but I think you mean "SPL" (Sound Pressure Level)

I have a Vox AC15 with 15 watts that can be scaled back to 7 and there is not much difference in the loudness of it at either setting. It just breaks up earlier at the lower setting. I think I remember that doubling the wattage only makes for a 3 dB increase in volume. That's a lot on paper but not much in actual SPL.

The Twins are designed for loud and clean which they do exceptionally well. However, I do like a bit of hair on my sound that a smaller amp can provide without shaking the fillings in my teeth loose. The Twin can grow hair but it's very loud when it does. The good thing is that pedals can offer that sound and the Twin takes them very well if you have the right speakers in them. I used to have JBL K120's in mine. The clean tones were awesome but, pedals sounded awful through it. I got a pair of Jensen C12N's that came out of a 1960's Wurlitzer organ and it changed the character of the Twin's sound for the better. It sounds great with pedals now and is not so stinking loud so I can turn it up a little more.

They are still a heavy beast though but I love mine to death.

(This message was last edited by ninworks at 10:22 AM, Sep 1st, 2019)

Leftee
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Sep 1st, 2019 07:49 AM   Edit   Profile  

Up close there isn’t a lot of perceivable difference in volume between a lower-power amp and one higher powered. You can tell a big difference as you move away from the amps. The high powered amp will carry a lot farther.

Gene from Tampa
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Sep 1st, 2019 08:10 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have a 70's twin (w/master volume). When I moved to Tokyo back in the 90's I loaned it to my half-brother who is 19 years younger than me along with a white SG. I have since moved back to the US and keep forgetting (wink-wink nudge-nudge) to ask for it back. I did purchase a Mustang III and the twin model more than fits my current garage-band needs. And I can lift it into my SUV hatch without risking damage to my back.

pcalu

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Sep 1st, 2019 08:41 AM   Edit   Profile  

"You are correct but I think you mean "SPL" (Sound Pressure Level)" Quote from Ninworks


Think your right/spot on. :) And that's probably why I can hear myself better in all situations (indoor with or without a P.A and outdoors etc) Using a TR

Had a similar experience with my TR and pedals

I learned the hard way that the right OD pedal when using American speakers/ TR is the key. I came from a Marshall Plexi/JCM800 background and really struggled with "WHY the F#%K does My Twin Reverb w/ those Jensen Ri C12Ns... sound like Sh#t! (I refused to believe it was the speakers, having tried a few different brands with the same result) Wasn't till toying around with a TS9 that I went "Ah-Ha" Ended up using a TS9DX which does what the boutique TS do with the added EQ. That pedal is going anywhere as long as I'm using Fenders



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Sep 1st, 2019 11:16 AM   Edit   Profile  

I play through a TRRI at church and brought it home for tubes and caps. Swapped it back in last night for tonight’s service. Whew!! Wouldn’t want to do that daily! Mine has casters so I can roll it but going up stairs etc. really let’s you know what it weighs! I had subbed in my AC15 which sounded good but is no Twin when it comes to loud clean. The upside was I had a bit of time to break in the Vox’s Greenback.

(This message was last edited by bluzcat at 01:17 PM, Sep 1st, 2019)

budg
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Sep 2nd, 2019 05:33 AM   Edit   Profile  

... but.... you can find them really cheap and in abundance used in GC.

larryguitar19
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larryguitar
Sep 9th, 2019 08:16 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have about 6 or 7 amps and rotate the stock every few months according to taste. So the TRRI is back on the stand in my living room. At 2.5 it still sounds better than any other amp in my collection.

I'm going to cut my roster down to 4 and I'm pretty sure the Twin makes the team. The Bjr stays. The Pro Reverb stays.

That means it's down to the DRRI and the Soldano fighting for that last roster spot.

pcalu

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Sep 9th, 2019 03:19 PM   Edit   Profile  

Nice... kinda do the same thing. a Blackfaced 74 Pro (non-master) a 69 Bassman AB165 w/cab, Modded HRD III. Modded BJr, Weber 5E3x2, and a Blackfaced 75 Twin Reverb.

On stage or practicing with the Twin, out in front of it about 10 feet, it easily dominates my heard.

And I employe the Master volume.. gives more compression and sustain

Much-misunderstood is the MV's on Silverfaces and how they are supposed to be used.

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