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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Jaguars & Jazzmasters / HELP...? About Jag Trem Arm Removal Please...

Jake The Loafer
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Jun 3rd, 2015 09:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's been awhile since I made a vist to the FDP. I finally got my CA '65 RI Jaguar put together. I decided to let a Luthier friend I know take all the pieces that I had purchased, wire it up, put the neck on & make sure it was done right.

I'm not sure how the Trem arm removes.. I screwed it in but can't remove it. I keep turning it counter clockwise & it just keeps turning & does not want to come out. Is there some deep secrete on getting it to release? The case top puts too much pressure on the arm & pushes it down.

Many thanks to the cat(s) who can help me.

Peace,
Jake

Hammond101
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Jun 3rd, 2015 09:44 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you used the American Reissue tailpiece the wang bar is a plug in...no threads, just pull it out. Same is true for the Japanese unit. The Mexi tailpiece has a thread in arm.



Jake The Loafer
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Jun 3rd, 2015 10:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hammond101, thanks for the fast reply. I thought I saw some threads on the arm but it did feel funny trying to get it in. I did put some pressure on it & started to spin it clockwise as one would put in a Strat. I did pull up on it a tad last nite while I was trying to unscrew but I was afraid I was going to break something. Any You Tube or any thing I can look at to see how to get it out?

Peace,
Jake




Jake The Loafer
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Jun 3rd, 2015 01:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hammond101, I was just pulling up in the bar enough to pull up the little collar & the bar will not come out. I'm afraid if I pull it harder I may break something. So what is the trick? I hard should I be trying to pull it out? I'm stumped.

Now I can't remember if the end of the bar had any threads. I thought so but... I remember having to push down & I also was trying to get it in like I would put in a Strat by turning it clockwise. I thought it was maybe treading in place as I turned it but I never got to a point where I felt like it was getting any tighter.

Peace,
Jake

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Jun 3rd, 2015 02:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, it's hard to say what's going on not knowing the version of the tail piece is on the guitar. I've always found the Am. & MIJ arms to be a bit loose and typically don't stay where you put them. They just slip in and sometimes fall out on their own.

The MIM with the threaded collet and arm is actually a better system IMO.

Maybe you put a MIM arm with threads in a plain collet USA/MIJ type? I dunno. Maybe all the parts are correct and there is a burr at the end of the arm hanging on the collet.

In any case I think this is going to cost you a set of strings to resolve. You will need to remove the strings, remove the tailpiece and investigate from the bottom side.

IMO, you can yank on that arm pretty darn hard without damaging anything. I'd try that again first.

I have heard of but never seen the slip-in arm getting stuck in the collet. More force resolved these issues.

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Jun 3rd, 2015 02:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sounds like it's just tight and new. Pull it out like you mean it. Sometimes they stick a bit and need a bit of force to remove.

Jake The Loafer
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Jun 3rd, 2015 05:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hammond101, all is well. I took you & reverendrob's advice & placed my left hand over the bridge area & gave a good pull & it came right out. It is not mismatched, it was just my lack of knowledge of how it went in & came out. I thought I had felt some little threads on the bar but I was wrong. Thanks for all the help & thankfully I do not have to sacrifice an expensive set of Flats & take anything apart.

OK, a little other thing regarding the Lock Button associated w/ the Trem. The little booklet that came w/ it says to have the lock button in the non-locked position(up) & turn the small screw a little at a time until you can't push the Lock Button down. I started out w/ very small turns & kept turning more & more. I never could stop the Lock Button from going down. It has had maybe 2 full turns. Should I keep turning this screw until the button is non-moveable then back the screw back a little until the Lock Button will slip down into the locked position? Should I keep turning this little screw until the Lock Button is stuck in the up position? Here again I'm a little lost as I don't know how this little screw functions to keep Lock Button from moving. Should I keep turning it clockwise even if it could involve me turning several more full turns or more?

Peace,
Jake

reverendrob
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Jun 4th, 2015 10:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Do you anticipate needing/using the lock?

I ask because half my offsets don't have them.

Only one I use it on is the Jaguar I have set up as a synth guitar - so I don't hit the bar on sounds/instruments that can't bend a note reflexively.

I always just followed the instructions in the manual to set it up - basically you want it to engage and actually lock, past that, it's a certain amount of feel and preference.


Jake The Loafer
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Jun 4th, 2015 11:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Do you anticipate needing/using the lock?"

I have no idea at this point....

Rev, I read that the lock button was useful if a string broke & using the lock button was supposed to keep the other strings from going wacky if locked while changing a string. I have never had a Jag so I'm trying to get used to all the controls, etc. I have turned the screw at least several full rotations & so far have not been able to keep the button in the up position.

I do not know about any other offset guitars & I know you have many. I'm following the instructions that I have & I just do not know what will happen if I keep turning that screw. I'm trying to do what the instructions said. According to what I read, the button should get to the point you can not push it downwards, back off a little bit until the button will be able to be pushed down.

Thanks for reply but I'm still somewhat confused as to what the little screw does & how it is supposed to stop the button from being able to move down.

Do you know of any You Tube stuff videos about adjusting the lock button?

Peace,
Jake





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Jun 4th, 2015 08:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I don't even quite understand the problem. If the button locks, stop fiddling with the screw?

Never has been that complicated (and I don't want to mess up what I've already dialed in).

And it won't save you from going out of tune much of the time if something breaks etc - it's not perfect.

Think they're on some models simply because people get angry if they're not there.

Not aware of any videos etc because past "Does it lock" or to adjust a little bit of tension, never had to touch the screws.

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Jun 5th, 2015 08:02 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Jake, congrats on your first Jaguar! I think the linked site below is helpful. Apologies if you've already seen it, but the diagrams and pictures help to get a good idea of what's going on when you turn those screws and how the lock works overall.

Underneath the tailpiece there's a bent plate to which the strings are mounted on one end. The other end hosts the end of the trem spring. The spring end of the plate rises when the bar is pulled up or when you break a string. The lock is just a wedge that theoretically should allow the bar to dip down but prevent it from moving up. That screw you're turning raises and lowers the plate, and the goal is to get it as high as possible and still be able to engage the lock. The closer the plate is at "idle" in unlocked position to where it would sit at locked position with less string tension, the less detuning you'll experience. Hope that makes sense!

How to set up a Jag/JM trem

Jake The Loafer
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Jun 5th, 2015 02:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Brent. I never thought I would wnat or get one but then the old GAS attack.... You are the only person who made some sense w/ this ? re: the lock button.

Like I wrote above, I was following what I read & it said to turn screw until button would not slide down & then back off just enough to let it go down. I figure this is somewhat usefull & part of seting it up. The good Rev acts like it is not worth worrying about, but to me it is.

Gotta run out & I'll go to your link when I came back. I know I started w/ very small turns & then went bigger & had to make several full turns & never got button to stay up until I backed off a bit so it could move down.

Rev., thanks for your reply also.

Peace,
Jake



Jake The Loafer
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Jun 7th, 2015 06:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

BrentD, when you get a chance shoot me an email please. Just click my name.

Peace,
Jake

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Jul 4th, 2015 06:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hello Jake

Have you resolved your problem yet ?

I have a similiar problem and I am thinking getting some springs of differing tensions to see if that changes the ability to adjust the trem lock button.

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