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AlohaEd

Glendale, NY

Eddie
Jan 25th, 2016 07:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Would there be one, or two, for great surf tone? Which series, model, etc? Or pickups, effects, pedals?

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Jan 25th, 2016 07:18 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Howdy Ed

Any Strat (US, Mex, Squier) will get you there if it has three single coil pickups and a vibrato bridge. Technique is important to nail the vibe; good right-hand muting really helps to add percussive effects.

Generally, the early 'surfers' played flatwound strings on Strats, Jazzmasters, and Jaguars through Fender amps, with plenty of drippy reverb.

Add a teensy touch of delay and you're really surfing!

Some Squier action here...modern surf

AlohaEd

Glendale, NY

Eddie
Jan 25th, 2016 07:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I like. Thanks.

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Jan 25th, 2016 07:27 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Check out this modified strat...two pickups with a Jazzmaster vibrato? WHAT?

Japanese surf band The Surf Coasters

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Jan 25th, 2016 10:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of the Strat mods many surf players use (including myself) is the add bridge mod. This allows use of the neck and bridge pickup at the same time or even all three PUs if you wish.

It makes a Strat a bit thicker and more like a Jazzmaster in tone. Clean vintage sounding pickups seem to work the best however I'm getting very nice sounds from the Van Zandt blues PUs these days. I keep them low in the pickguard.

I went to the Winter Surf Fest in Huntington Beach, CA on Saturday. Many Strats were used on stage and they sounded quite good. My personal preference for the genre is a Jazzmaster followed by the Jaguar. Many of those showed up too and just nail it for the more melodic songs.

Two of the bands were just wonderful. The Tequila Worms from Orange County and then the Tiki Creeps from LA. Not a Strat in the pack with these two bands. Youtube may have some footage.

One of my favorite guitars to play surf with is an Epiphone Wilshire, one of the modern RI ones, inexpensive and well built. I took out the ceramic humbuckers and replaced them with GFS P90s that fit in the HB spot. The guitar then got a B5 Bigsby via Vibramate. I play round 10s on it and it just kills.

So IMO just about anything can surf. Single coils of some sort seem to work the best.

Wilshire on Stage

(This message was last edited by Hammond101 at 12:11 PM, Jan 25th, 2016)

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Jan 25th, 2016 11:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

just get one in surf green ;)

AlohaEd

Glendale, NY

Eddie
Jan 25th, 2016 11:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Interesting, that most surf music was played on Jazzmasters. I might then just go out and get the 60s Jazzmaster Lacquer. It is "Surf Green" LRO. Thanks all, U2 Hammond.

surfdog

Lakeside, CA

Jim
Jan 25th, 2016 12:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm playing surf music again and use my Johnny Marr Jaguar or my American Series Stratocaster. Fender tube amp with spring reverb. 10-52 D'Addario roundwound strings. I like the heavy bottom of the 52's. The rest is in your hands.

surfdog

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Jan 25th, 2016 12:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"The rest is in your hands."

This is very true of the surf genre. Developing a good palm mute is really necessary to get many passages to sound correct. It's the only way to get that strong attach with the "drippy pop" that you hear in so many songs.

As an aside, tone settings are important here too. You will need a nice trebley tone to get these note to pop when palm muting.


L. Nedmundo

Philadelphia

Jan 25th, 2016 04:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's expensive and unnecessary, but I bet the Dick Dale signature Strat should do the trick! I agree with others that any good Strat with vintage-voiced singles will be fine.

FWIW, Los Straitjackets use their signature model DiPinto Galaxie guitars, which have FOUR single coils and sound fantastic. I've seen them live a couple of times, and they typically stay on the bridge pickups.

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Jan 26th, 2016 07:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Interesting, that most surf music was played on Jazzmasters. I might then just go out and get the 60s Jazzmaster Lacquer. It is "Surf Green" LRO."

Nothing wrong with that - I've got a Jazzmaster, myself, and it will most certainly deliver brilliant surf tones (and much more, BTW).
But there was/is plenty of surf music performed and recorded with a Strat.

Either way, from there you just need a clean, clear, bright tone, strong technique - especially the right hand - and lots of reverb. (;^D)

Peegoo's links got me wandering through more surf clips...like Madeira...

AlohaEd

Glendale, NY

Eddie
Jan 26th, 2016 07:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Wow. I am glad I started this thread. Not only great replies, yet been enjoying all the links to the great music.

AlohaEd

Glendale, NY

Eddie
Jan 26th, 2016 07:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I guess until I can afford another guitar(JM), I will practice on my MIM Strat. I do have the 3 single coil pickups, yet ceramic. Actually, the specs say ceramic magnets, if that's different. Don't know if the are Hot or not as Davis mentioned. And do not know the difference between ceramic and regular. I am only learning to play. Thanks all.

(This message was last edited by AlohaEd at 10:00 AM, Jan 26th, 2016)

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Jan 26th, 2016 09:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ceramic pickups have a single wide black (or painted other color) ferrite bar magnet across the bottom of the coil bobbin, with six steel pole pieces inside the coil bobbin.

Sometimes a ceramic pickup has two skinnier ferrite bars

like this.

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Jan 26th, 2016 09:04 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Traditionally, Strat pickups have six alnico (ALuminum + NIckel + CObalt alloy) polpieces; each polepiece is an individual magnet. Depending on the pickup, all the poles are "north" up, or "south" up.

Like this.

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Jan 26th, 2016 09:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Purists generally go for alnico because that's what Leo Fender originally used.

One type of magnet is not better than the other, tho.

There is a tonal difference, but it's not as detectable by the human ear as some guitar snobbos might have you believe. The "detectability" is more present to the player only--in how the pickup responds to picking dynamics.

Alnicos generally exhibit a smoother response than ceramics. If you're playing rock and metal, ceramics generally are punchier.

If you're a screw sniffer, you can get down in the weeds with alnico alloys; there's alnico 1, alnico 2, etc.

There are also other magnet alloys and compositions, like cunife (copper + nickel + iron) and neodymium, but these are not that prevalent in pickup construction.

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Jan 26th, 2016 10:03 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"FWIW, Los Straitjackets use their signature model DiPinto Galaxie guitars"

A good friend is a bit of a gear nut and also a great surf player. He own a DiPinto Galaxy IV and I've had the chance to play it. Great surf guitar and not all that expensive. He also own a couple of Reverends which handle it well. He by the way does not like Jazzmasters or Jaguars, go figure.

There are a couple of Danelectro models that surf well.

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Jan 26th, 2016 05:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No offense taken. Tone is 100% subjective :o)

macguy

USA

Feb 9th, 2016 08:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Outstanding YT video...

I sure wish I knew that guy's settings on his delay rig!!!

MG

tahitijack

San Clemente, CA

Happy Sunsets, tahitijack
Feb 15th, 2016 11:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you are really interested, visit Surf Guitar 101 dot comm. You'll find an endless supply of advice, opinions and sometimes hot debate over what works and does not. I play rhythm guitar in an instrumental surf music band. My rig rundown is a sonic blue Fender Classic 60's Player through a Fender Deluxe VM. I changed the pups to Fender noiseless vintage. The pic guard is white pearloid. I tend to play clean with a touch of reverb and delay/chorus on a few songs. Our lead guitar plays a Fender Jaguar through a Cyber Twin. He just bought a Dick Dale model Strat and is finding the muting more difficult and his pic is striking the middle pup. As others will tell you instrumental surf music is filled with almost endless possibilities. Enjoy the ride!

(This message was last edited by tahitijack at 01:03 PM, Feb 15th, 2016)

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