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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Stratocasters / Eric Clapton Strat 1991

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Feb 17th, 2016 05:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hello all:

I'm new to your forum and currently own a Gretsch 6128TCG Duo Jet. I'm looking to add a Fender and recently played an Eric Clapton Strat made in 1991. I liked it but in researching I read that it evolved over the years with noiseless pu's and TBX circuits and mid-boost.
I'm looking for your opinions on how you would describe the difference in sound and feel as the '91 has a C or maybe a very soft V neck and I read the later ones have a V neck.

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Feb 20th, 2016 02:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I love the sound of these Strats but hate the neck, and I've tried very variation, even Custom Shop, since they were produced. The neck profile is way too thin for my comfort.

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Feb 23rd, 2016 05:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've not posted in ages, but this prompted me to say the EC Strat imho is as good a gigging guitar as you can own. They are really tough & well made. Sound great & the neck profile is superb. If you like it - they do vary.
My 93 has a pretty hard V, and I retro fitted to the new VN's after trying loads of options. Lets face it if your going to have an EC strat you are best served by the pickups he has used for 15 years - a longer run than Blackie had, or the Lace Sensor version.
I've noticed the latest ones have varying quality on the neck finish & tbh the only one I'd buy new would be CS - but a 91 should be great.

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Feb 26th, 2016 10:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have owned many, many of the production and CS versions of the EC Strat. I currently own 5 CS ECs. They all play and sound different. Necks vary even within the CS family. I would go with a VN pup version of the production and try the necks, case-by-case.
The 91 with LS pups should be great also, if you like the neck.
You can't go wrong, IMHO.

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Jan 22nd, 2017 02:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm digging up this old thread for a very specific reason: A local seller has a 1995 USA Clapton Signature Blackie in quite exc shape and I'm considering it (though he lives far enough away I haven't actually seen it in person yet.) Before I do...2 questions --
Q1: It sports Lace Sensors. I notice newer versions sport Vintage Noiseless + mid-boost + TBX circuitry (which do not appeal to me.) When did they make the changes?
Q2: Do the changes make earlier models like '95 more or less prized/valuable?
Any info appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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Jan 22nd, 2017 02:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Oh, and were the Lace Sensors in these "active" - requiring an onboard battery?

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Jan 22nd, 2017 04:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Oh, and were the Lace Sensors in these "active" - requiring an onboard battery?"

I believe only the TBX is active (9v batt).
Lace Sensors are passive pickups.
The EC models with the Lace pups were the Lace Sensor Gold (pretty sure not the "hot" gold) all 3 pickups the same specs (DCR 5.8k; PF 3600; L 2.4h).

I'm a big fan of Lace Sensors, but not everybody likes them. That said, I think EC & Jeff Beck got some "OK" tones using them! (TIC)
I do prefer other models to the Golds, but that's just me.

I think the EC Strat changed from Sensors to VN's around 2001.

FWIW, I have strats with both LS and VN and I really like them both. They're different from each other but I like that too.
I actually have VN's in 2 strats. Both guitars have: Alder body; Maple/Maple neck, Med Jumbo frets; identical set up etc... and they do not sound the same. One is just a little bit brighter.

Go figure...

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 06:46 AM, Jan 22nd, 2017)

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Jan 22nd, 2017 12:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks very much for the info, Mick.

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Jan 22nd, 2017 02:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hope it helped.

And hopefully some more folks will join in with first-hand experience and answer your Q2!

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Jan 22nd, 2017 04:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If anyone has access to a Bluebook it'd be interesting to compare the exc cond value of a pre-2001 Blackie to a post-2001 Blackie.

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Jan 23rd, 2017 05:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey archiestone, I have a '93 EC so it has the Lace Sensors. To my knowledge, the only change made to the standard EC line was converting from Lace Sensors to Fender Vintage Noiseless pups. Both incarnations have mid-boost, both have TBX circuitry and both require a 9V battery.

Apologies if you already know the following: the tone knob closest to the volume is the TBX (Treble Bass Expander). From 0-5 it behaves as a normal tone knob would from 0-10. Between 5-6 there is a detent. From 6-10 I believe it actually cuts bass so your tone will seem to brighten as you head towards 10. Mine is usually set close to the detent and I'll add or reduce to taste depending on which pedals I'm running.

The tone knob closest to the input jack is the mid-boost. Mine is usually at 0. When more mids are needed, I find I've never gone over 4 as it leads to mudville with my setup, YMMV.

With the LS pups and circuitry, I've found that I prefer to set the guitar volume knob around 7-ish. Too much more and some of that "sterile" tone that many say the LS pups have can be more noticeable.

I mention this info because many aren't familiar with the EC Strat circuitry. They'll grab one, think it's a normal Strat and put all 3 knobs on full whack and complain that it sounds like crap which it will because now you're running full volume, full TBX and full mid-boost. Yuck. Also, being an active circuit, the 9V battery will be running as long as the guitar cord is plugged into it.

As far as prices, I've never seen a Bluebook for values but I've seen consistent prices for used EC's (LS and VN) which indicates to me that no version is getting more money than the other. The only exception I've seen is the 7-Up Green models. This color option was discontinued some years back. Anytime I've seen a used one, the seller points that out and is asking for more as they are harder to find.

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Jan 23rd, 2017 12:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

^This is very useful, thanks pombrio.

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Jan 23rd, 2017 02:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Good info pombrio!

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