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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Jaguars & Jazzmasters / Buzz stop??

NoBuckers

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Apr 10th, 2016 02:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's the deal: I finally got fed up with the strings on my vintage jazzmaster slipping and sliding all over the place (even after filing the saddle grooves, going up a string gauge, shimming the neck and raising the bridge, etc), and so I have a buzz stop on there now.

It's not a perfect solution by any stretch, given that it seems to have eliminated the essential 'jazzmasterness' of the tone, which now sounds much more generic. Yes, it has a bit more sustain and the strings definitely stay where they belong now, but there's a steep price to be paid, in terms of tone and feel.. And the trem works like crap now and is super stiff.

I know I should just drop a mastery bridge in there and be done with it, but I haven't pulled the trigger yet. Soon! In the meantime, here's a stupid question for you: How am I supposed to make fine-tuning adjustments to the intonation if I can't get to the little screws in back of the saddles with the buzz stop on there?? I assume that if I remove the buzz stop to do it, the intonation will get messed up as soon as I pop it back in, yes?

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Apr 11th, 2016 06:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I assume that if I remove the buzz stop to do it, the intonation will get messed up as soon as I pop it back in, yes?"

The intonation is based on the string length you set, so unless the saddle moves between the time you set it and the time you re-install the Buzzstop, the intonation should remain as you set it.
I'll add the caveat that I have no experience with a Buzzstop.

I do, however, have a Mastery bridge on my Thinskin Jazzmaster. I wasn't having any issues with strings jumping, but the Mastery did simplify all bridge adjustments and improved the tone and sustain (better string-to-body transfer)...and all the "Jazzmasterness" of the guitar is still there.
IMO, it made a great guitar even better.

NoBuckers

Boston, MA

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Apr 11th, 2016 09:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ok, thank you for your help! And everybody who knows anything about these guitars swears by the mastery bridge.. It's funny that the price has kept me from springing for one, given that I've certainly been willing to pay more than that for, let's say, an effect pedal or whatever..

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Apr 11th, 2016 09:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"...I've certainly been willing to pay more than that for, let's say, an effect pedal or whatever"

Which is exactly the logic I applied when I bought mine. The price has gone up since then, but so have (some) pedal prices.
FWIW, I haven't regretted spending the money for the Mastery for a minute.

Shlock the monster

Austria

May 2nd, 2016 11:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

you don't need a Mastery bridge. A simple Mustang bridge often sold in a set with a buzz stop on Ebay will do as well.
IMHO the improvement in sound and sustain is unbelieveable. Additionally I wrap around the strings on the bar of the buzz stop for even getting more friction and distorted sounds.

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May 3rd, 2016 10:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I agree that you don't need a Mastery bridge - I wasn't having any issues with string jumping or slippage, etc. I do like what the bridge did for the overall tone of the guitar, though.

"Additionally I wrap around the strings on the bar of the buzz stop..."

But now you've completely changed the feel of the JM/Jag trem system (if you haven't killed it completely). And that trem system is one of my favorite things about my Jazzmaster.
With the Mastery bridge, I've got better sustain and string definition AND all the benefits of that great trem system.

That said....go with whatever works for you.

Shlock the monster

Austria

May 3rd, 2016 10:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

the fine shimmering is away, the whammy sound goes more heavy, when you wrap around the strings. But the Jag looses its bad banjo image

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May 5th, 2016 05:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yea, I personally don't enjoy what the Buzzstop does to the character of the instrument (and even with 10s, I don't have any issue with string jumping unless I'm abusive and do something that'd probably pop a string otherwise).

If I had to deal with a replacement bridge, I'd either do a TOM or a Mustsang (depending on what I had laying around and how much work I felt like putting in) - have those as well as the stock ones on my various offsets.

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