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FDP Forum / The Chop Shop / Question for people that use OD/DIST

mojodelic

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Apr 14th, 2016 04:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Using any rig (digital, analog, straight into a dimed amp, stomp box etc) with uber gain play the upper register D diad on strings 1 & 2 (1st string 14 fret / 2nd string 15th).

To me this is horrid sounding. I get a third note that sounds sort of like the open D string but is offensive for lack of a better word.

Two questions-

1. Is this why rockers always play power (5) chords because the third interval won't work in high gain settings, and

2. How do you use high gain stuff (some songs demand it) and play two notes without it going to garbage?

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Apr 15th, 2016 08:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It seems like you're using way too much gain. Most rock guitarists play a lot cleaner than you'd think.

Even heavy metal guitar playing shouldn't be so distorted that there's no definition between notes when you play chords (including full chords).

There are some exceptions, such as stoner doom metal, sludge and grindcore.

Dolemite

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Apr 15th, 2016 09:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"the third interval won't work in high gain settings"

This, more often than not. And if you're the tinest bit out of tune, forget it.

mojodelic

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Apr 15th, 2016 10:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thank you both, you've confirmed what I kinda already figured out.

Tyrone Shuz

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Apr 15th, 2016 01:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

EVH retuned his guitar in the studio so he could do Runnin' W/The Devil and have the 3rd be perfect.

Also, your guitar's intonation may be out. That may require adjustment, or believe it or not, a string change. Old strings won't intonate. So don't go changing your bridge saddle locations with old strings.

And, as mentioned, listen to AC/DC intro of You Shook Me All Night Long, there are 3rds in there, and they're in tune. Still distorted, but not so much.

Just by probablility, I'd say change your strings, check your intonation (or have a pro do it) then dial down the gain, if those two don't work.

Tyrone Shuz

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Apr 15th, 2016 01:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Bears repeating, but I didn't really intend on it.

(This message was last edited by Tyrone Shuz at 03:02 PM, Apr 15th, 2016)

mojodelic

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Apr 15th, 2016 03:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks everyone. Just had my brand new PRS setup by the best guy in town so I think too much gain is the answer.

It sounded at one point (to my ears) like the logic path going on in the Line 6 was "trying to find the summation of the two notes" if that makes any sense. I could actually hear it adjusting up/down, but it also did it on the Boss Me-50 with no amp/cab sims as well as through a Boss SD-1.

The new band requires me to emulate everything from Bernie Leadon's Take it Easy tone to Carlos' Smooth tone to Slash's Sweet Child tone so I didn't want to just throw the multi-fx thingie away.

Getting a new Marshall channel switching amp was a game changer though- If I absolutely had to I could get by on just a tuner. Having pre-settable delays, etc. is a big plus though...

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Apr 15th, 2016 06:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you're getting that weird overtone--it may possibly be the neck pickup is too close to the strings. This prollum is most common on Stratocasters.

mojodelic

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Apr 15th, 2016 09:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thought about stratitis, but it does it on all of my guitars.

*update* I removed all amp/cab modeling from the fx unit & dialed the od way back until it went away then slightly raised it. I can still hear it if I try, but the drunk at the bar won't.

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Apr 16th, 2016 12:11 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Also note that temporal tunings (which I assume you are using) is quite the compromise. If I remember my music theory correctly, it's about one quarter step off over 7 octaves. For us guitar players, the most noticeable result of this are the imperfect thirds, which will stand out like a sore thumb unless adjusted to true harmonic pitch.

...which is why the strings on a piano is tuned to a harmonic pitch rather than a true pitch, making it sound in tune with itself across the keyboard.



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