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swampyankee
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Aug 12th, 2016 05:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Not the Rivera-era Concert, but the '93 - '95 version that they made either with 1 - 12" or 4 - 10"s (called a "Super"). I'm interestd in the 1 - 12 Concert combo. 2 channels, 60 watts. A bit smaller, but about the same weight as my CVR, which is manageable. Pretty much the package I'm looking for in a gigging combo for the work we're doing.
I've read various opinions about the series. Blackface-ish clean channel, typically fizzy Fender gain in the drive channel. I've read they're a PITA to work on, but I don't spend alot of time under the hood. There's one for sale locally for $450, and at that price it could be a disposable if anything major broke.
I'm just looking for somewhat sparkly BF clean tones and good headroom in a 50 - 60 watt 1-12 combo.

Can anyone share their experiences and opinions?


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Aug 12th, 2016 05:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That era as a clean amp any I've ever heard sound fine. OD channel is a "if you like it", if not use pedals.

If you like the thing after a test drive, it'll probably run fine for any reasonable thing you need it for.

And any dealer/tech can work on it.

back breaker

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Aug 13th, 2016 09:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Also I was under the impression that it was to replace the impressive super 210 and super 112 they were like you described and i actually was ver happy with the 210 i had for some years. both channels were usable and pleasant (i used the overdrive channel as a volume boost). then were replaced with a more retro looking concert and super (or so i have been told). you might see if that suits your needs as well- they are quite a bit of bang for the buck.

swampyankee
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Aug 14th, 2016 04:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I read up on the red knob era amps. They were some of the first amps marketed post-CBS. The 90s era Concert/Super/Twin Amps aren't related to the red knob amps.

I'm just looking for clean headroom, blackface tones and a 1 12 package. That 90s era Concert looks like it would do, in theory anyway.



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Aug 15th, 2016 01:04 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I used a super 60 1 X 12 as my main gigging amp in the early 2000's when downsizing from a Marshall JCM 900 half stack. As others have said, the clean channel + pedals was the way to go.

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Apr 21st, 2017 07:44 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So, since this thread is still on page 1, I thought I'd update to give my experience-impressions on having owned a Concert Amp for 6 months or so now.

I picked up a really clean example for a decent price on Reverb. Buying sight-unseen, I was wary about it's blackface tonal capability, and of course, the drive channel thing.
At 60 watts, 1-12" combo, it's a pretty stout amp. It has a pull-bright volume pot on channel 1 which is pretty much equivalent to the old bright switches. In "normal" it's supposedly using a Bassman circuit. Not having experience with a Bassman, it just gets a bit darker and maybe fatter. With the switch on bright, I get some nice blackface-sparkle. The amp has some good punch to it - Deluxe-ish looks, but more Twin-ish 6l6 power. Great for small club gigs. As Back Breaker said, the drive channel is best used in low gain mode (3 or 4), and as a volume boost for solos and such.
In my estimation, these mid-90's Super Amps and Concert Amps are definitely an under-appreciated classic, and every bit as useful and toneful as any of the modern era PCB based reissues.

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Apr 24th, 2017 04:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One post on another forum actually got a response from an engineer who worked on the Fender "Red Knob" series. He said that Fender cut corners as much as they could to keep the cost down. Both channels used the EQ section.

I had a Super 2x10 that I bought for $175 (US), I got rid of it as soon as I could.

All the power was behind the clean channel the distortion channel was pretty weak.

(This message was last edited by RicOkc at 12:20 PM, Jul 27th, 2017)

swampyankee
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Apr 24th, 2017 05:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I read that about the late 80s-early 90s red knob Supers as well. My Concert is not one of those. It came out mid 90s and has a completely different circuit.

Mintage

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May 2nd, 2017 11:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I bought my Super60 new in 1990 - still working fine after
27 years ( I changed the tubes twice ).

In 1994 I bought the Super Amp because of its 4x10
Eminence BlueAlnicos - a wall of cleansound to die for (but
not Blackface clean, more 59 Bassman clean).

This amp is used regularly on stage, up to 6 hours each gig - and
all this without any problems ( powertube changed in 2005 and 2011 ).
A tech looked into it in 2014 (after 20 years of gigging ), looking under (!) the pcb-board he was surprised that everything looked
like new, without any sign of wear...!

Yes, it`s a pain in the ass to work on when somethings going down - but I always cared for my amps ;-)

And my Supersonic60 head (bought new in 2012) has more than 80 gigs behind - no problems, too !
(Maybe because of our 230 V power in Germany, no comparison
to the 110V-US-girlie power ;-) )

These amps were well made, with good parts - and they are real
workhorses.

swampyankee
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Aug 4th, 2017 06:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Got to chime back in here.

I've been using my Pro Tube Concert on gigs regularly since I got it last year.
As Mintage said, it's a great workhorse amp. Good, punchy sound, maybe more Bassman than blackface bit the pull pot on ch1 volume adds enough to brightness.
But I didn't realize the full effect of that pull pot until the other night at an outdoor gig. As the volume went up, I noticed the amp getting dirty - in a good way, but not appropriate for the songs we were playing. I was wondering if there was something wrong until I realized the pot was "in", leaving it on the Bassman circuit. I pulled the pot and it brightened and cleaned things up.
But I discovered a whole other amp sound in there. Nice, dirty, bluesy. A bit dark for Beatles number but great for bles and roots, which I dig.

(This message was last edited by swampyankee at 08:23 PM, Aug 4th, 2017)

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