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FDP Forum / FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / My 2004 seagull grand acoustic S series neck?

catnineblue

LA , Calif

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Feb 1st, 2017 07:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I bought this new in 2006 and it played fine. I never checked the specs on it for action or neck relief and it has a solid spruce top three ply hard wood laminate sides and back and I keep it humidified and in it's case.

At some point it developed a fret rattle on the low E and A 1st to 5th fret. I emailed seagull and was given the fact specs and they were right on.

I've read every single how to setup an acoustic and some state the relief should be checked at the 7th to 9th fret and others say the center of the neck . All say the action at the 12th fret with the first capo and the 14th held down using the string. I look at this seagull and the lowest point is the center of the neck then it levels out with no hump at the body and a bit of fall away.

I did get a new saddle because once when I removed all the strings the saddle fell out and from the factory was chipped at the neck end down in the slot and there was a bit of rosewood on the treble side of the slot that was not cut clean so I removed that and got the new saddle from seagull free and raised the action 1/64". Now the action seems high and did when I replaced the saddle , also the saddle since they are all the same thickness was also a loose fit in the slot. I made a rosewood shim .012" thick the shape of the new saddle and super glued it to the new saddle.

I know acoustics change over the years. The neck is not twisted the frets are level not a crack any where. I was told the bridge slot was a bit wide by seagull because it must have dried out at some point . I sat for 2 years before I got it and I have no idea what this seller called The Music Zoo did as far as controlled humidity yet I did notice the saddle did lean forward a bit when I got it. Seagull offered to send me a new bridge yet they are different now and I don't want to remove the bridge since it's held on tight they sent me a tusq blank free so I can make a thicker saddle.

I'm not sure what to do. I know I need to lower the action a bit and I am by nature a hard thumb picker if I back off the low E and A don't buzz.

I've read and know every guitar is different as to setups even the same models . Some require more relief and higher action. I get the same thing on my Epi EL-00 pro and it's action is much lower and it has almost a straight neck so I think a bit of relief would fix that.

It seems to me that too much relief can also cause buzzing. I even kept the seagull with a dampit and sponge in a baggie to see if that would help meaning I never let either dry out even on humid days and it didn't change much.

Anyone here have any ideas?

Hammond101
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So. Cal. USA

Feb 2nd, 2017 09:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

With out a hands on examination of your guitar it would be hard to say for sure what is the cause of your buzz. It might be low at the nut and if the guitar is a bit damp this will reduce relief and increase the affect due to fret board swell. A damp guitar will also typically have higher action than it did when less damp as the top will swell upward.

I would put a hygrometer in the case for a week and see what the numbers are. 40-45% is plenty. I keep my Taylors about 35-40. My first step would be to but a fret rocker over it and check for level. I would attempt to add a bit more relief (maybe), Then set up my bridge saddle for the action height I want. Lastly I'd adjust the nut slots to get rid of my buzz with open E and A strings. Heavy handed with the bass notes I see from above.

My Seagulls are very stable, older guitars and don't seem to change much. I wouldn't think you'd need a lot of humidification in greater LA. I don't need much at all out here in southwest Riverside county and you have more humidity than we do unless there is a Santa Ana blowin'.

I can get all of my acoustics to buzz on the bass strings if a REALLY dig in. Just sayin'.

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