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BluesBrazil

Brazil

Feb 19th, 2017 12:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What's up guys. I've just bought a set of the Vintage Noiseless for my 99' MIM strat. I'll be installing them in the week. What do you guys think? I've heard a lot of good things about it. But I Guess i'll stay with the 1mega pots that came in

Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Feb 19th, 2017 12:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It will probably be too bright. Most people have used either 500k or 250k ohm pots with these pickups. So, if your guitar currently has 250k pots, try them first with the new pickups and if you find them to be a little dark, then use a 500k pots.
Remember also that when you lower your pickups, the brighter they become, so, I would try the originally installed pots, find their best 'sweet spot' and if too dark, then change them out for the 500k pots.
Many here enjoy these pickups and have found that they also work great with other preamp circuitry added to the guitar. Think about the Clapton boost and you'll understand that these are part of his platform for active electronics added to his pickups.
Best regards, Woody

Mick Reid
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Australia

American-made in Oz!!
Feb 19th, 2017 04:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

+1 on Woody's advice.

I have 2 strats and 1 Mustang (2016 model) with VN's and use 250k pots in all of them. They sound great to my ears and wouldn't ever see needing 500's.

I installed the VN's in the Mustang (2 pickups) last week and played it yesterday in a trio and it sounded VERY good.

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 06:28 PM, Feb 19th, 2017)

BluesBrazil

Brazil

Feb 19th, 2017 08:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thank's a lot guys! I'll ser what I do with the pots. Thinking of put those 1m First, just to ser what happens. My set came with that treble bleed option. But I think that with 1 mega pots would be bright already. What do you guys think?

Mick Reid
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Feb 19th, 2017 09:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"My set came with that treble bleed option. But I think that with 1 mega pots would be bright already."

A treble bleed circuit won't make the pickups "brighter". It acts as a "high pass filter" that allows the higher frequencies to "pass" as the volume control is turned down. The value of the capacitor within the treble bleed circuit determines the frequency threshold.

Without a treble bleed, the tone can become muddy when you turn the volume down (on the guitar).

edited for clarification

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 03:07 AM, Feb 20th, 2017)

Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Feb 19th, 2017 11:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Mick for the confirmation of my findings!
The VN pickups are bright by design and the 1 meg. pots will make them really bright. They were intended to be like the standard Strat pups, which are bright with the added benefit of being noiseless, so don't think of them as a humbucker version of Strat pickups, needing a higher value pot to make them brighter, rather think of them as a regular Strat pickup with the added benefit of being quieter. So, a higher value pot will make them shrill and ice-picky.
I still don't understand why they include the 1 meg ohm pots with the known characteristics of these pickups. My Texas Specials, Strat and Tele pickups came with the same 1 meg pots and the brightness would cut your ears off. It is a pain to access the pickguard and uninstall things and knowing how they work and their tone characteristics, makes it a choir to rework everything! I'm telling you this for the sake of your time and effort and do hope that you enjoy your purchase, but want to spare you the grief of my experiences.
I'm not trying to control or take away your thoughts on experimenting with your pickups, but suggest maybe try the already installed electronics and decide from there.
As always, my best regards are intended. Woody

BluesBrazil

Brazil

Feb 20th, 2017 03:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Woody, thank's a lot my friend. I'll test them with the 250k that are in my strat already. Them, id I don't like, I'll install those 1mega that came in. I think that you're right.

Mick, your explanation made thing's clear now. Thank's! But do you think that is a good thing to install them? I think that I'll try without it first.

All te best, Blues

Mick Reid
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Australia

American-made in Oz!!
Feb 20th, 2017 02:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"...But do you think that is a good thing to install them?..."

FWIW, I put treble bleeds in all my guitars and some Fender models come with it standard.

So the short answer is, yes!

BluesBrazil

Brazil

Feb 25th, 2017 01:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just a quick question guys: May I use the 250k pots for tone and 500k for volume with these VN?

ejm

usa

Feb 25th, 2017 01:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You won't hurt anything, if that is your question.

Will you like it? You won't know the answer to that until you try it.


BluesBrazil

Brazil

Feb 25th, 2017 04:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thank's ejm. I'll do it tomorrow. Today I was testing all the sound I could get with the stock pots. I really liked the sound until now, but still thinking that it's too bright. But, anyway, pretty good pup's

Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Feb 25th, 2017 06:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A lot of folks use the 500k pots for tone, as it adds more sweep to the tone control with the use a standard 250k pot for the volume. The other way around would dampen the tone on your volume. It's not wrong but when using a 250k volume pot, the brightness is already causing the pickup to become darker in tone, so the addition of using higher value pots gives you a wider/more gradual sweep control over your tone. This is really apparent when applied to single coil pups.
The higher the value of the tone control the less it loads down the pickup signal.

BluesBrazil

Brazil

Feb 26th, 2017 07:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thank you Woody! So, I guess I'll be doing it correctly, since I've got 500k for volume and 250k for tone right? Sorry that I'm keep asking abou that. In my mind, with 500k in volume and 250k for tone, I'll get a "brightless" sound but without losing the clearence and that warm sound from the pup's isn't it?

BluesBrazil

Brazil

Feb 26th, 2017 03:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Finally guys! lol

Just put 250K pots all around, the stock ones who came with my guitar and now I'm good with the sound.
I've tried the 500K pot in the volume with 250k on tone, but was kinda buzz when I was playing. When I set up volume and tone with 250K, bam! All buzz was gone and now I have more control about the tone.

Now I've gotta set the pups height again. Do you guys know, if I got to press the 12th fret or in the last fret to measure the height?



Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Feb 26th, 2017 06:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That's great news! Glad you got them installed and are liking the sound.
To adjust the pickup height, press down on the last fret closest to the pickups and adjust your pickups height from there.
I would start with the recommended height and see how they perform and compare the middle and neck pickups with the volume of the bridge pickup. Most people start with the two nickel on the bass side and one nickel on the treble side.
These measurements are done from the top of the poll piece to the bottom of the string, while maintaining string pressure on the last fret. This is a good ballpark figure. Do this on all of your pickups first, then first listen to the bridge pickup and decide if you like the performance and if you do, then adjust each pickup height to volume match the output of your bridge pickup.
I know it's a little hard to get it right at first, especially because the other pickups have different tonality in their positions, but keep at it and play it after each adjustment, then when you think you've got it set, put it down and let your ears relax and come back to it later. Very rarely is it a one time adjustment and done but more of a listening situation that will evolve over the familiarity of the tones that are produced.
I hope you enjoy your investment and that it gives you the sound you've been trying to perceive from your guitar.
Best regards and have fun, Woody

Mick Reid
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Australia

American-made in Oz!!
Feb 27th, 2017 12:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Most people start with the two nickel on the bass side and one nickel on the treble side."

Cal - you may have to post a couple of "nickels" to Brazil!!

;^)

Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Feb 27th, 2017 10:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

True that! Lol
With being unfamiliar with your currency and the metric system, I would have to say from the U.S. system, it would be approximately an 1/8" on the bass side and 3/64" on the treble side. Or whichever the manufacturer specs are.
But as you are aware, the bass side is lower than the treble side because of the string thicknesses and that the wound strings have a stronger magnetic resonance needing less height than the treble side.
O.k., I know I'm probably stating the obvious but do wish to be more complete in my explanation for you to gain perspective on your adjustment.
Most importantly, have fun experimenting and always take a break after your testing to let your ears rest and see if your happy with the results.
Have fun with your pickups, Woody

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