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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: 1985 - Current / 65 Deluxe Rerverb in Knotty Pine with Alnico Cream

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Barzula

United States

Mar 26th, 2017 09:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've been enjoying my Vintage Vibe restored Rhodes 88 and Vox Continental greatly. Since the beginning I had a 65 Twin Reverb reissue, but it's way too much amp for me. This is a home set up only, and aesthetics are a concern because it's proudly displayed in my living room. I have one speaker disconnected, and two of the tubes pulled, but it's still so loud I'm afraid it's going to crack the toilet...

I have my eye on the Knotty Pine limited edition. Obviously the looks are what attracted me to it, but I have no idea what the Alnico Cream speaker would sound like. Would this be a totally different sounds from my Twin Reverb?

Lastly, would it be a disgrace if I were to install the Fender tilt kit to the wood sides, like the twin reverb?

Any opinions would be helpful. Thanks in advance!

tuninguitars

Indiana

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Mar 26th, 2017 10:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I thought the knob on the far left was a volume adjusting device.

Barzula

United States

Mar 26th, 2017 10:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No doubt... but even with one speaker disconnected, the volume knob RARELY goes above 2. I feel like the twin reverb is not being used the way it's designed, and a reverb deluxe would suit my needs better.

Just wondering if the sound would be similar...

(This message was last edited by Barzula at 01:03 PM, Mar 26th, 2017)

JJuran
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Mar 26th, 2017 11:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Wow - that's a pricey Deluxe Reverb reissue ... Looks like $1500 new street price from a casual search.

The DRRI is everywhere, although not so much knotty pine. Maybe you could borrow or rent any old DRRI and try that out for yourself before laying out $1500...

For a rhodes piano, or Vox organ, at lower listening volumes, I doubt that the cream celestion alnico will sound any different than any other speaker. That's a good speaker, but at lower listening volumes with a rhodes, it won't sound much different at all that a stock DRRI speaker.

(This message was last edited by JJuran at 02:36 PM, Mar 26th, 2017)

JJuran
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Mar 26th, 2017 12:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thinking about this some more ...Assuming the DRRI suits your tone and volume needs, the alnico speaker might be a little weak in the bass region. The 88-key rhodes does have some really low-frequency keys on it and you want to hear those... I wonder if the Alnico speaker will deliver those for you at even moderate volume levels.... It might not be as good as a ceramic magnet speaker. At higher volume levels, it will crap out on the lower bass notes.

The DRRI platform has nowhere near the head room of your twin reverb and for this reason it might work well for you. The "tone" will be subjective with any instrument, let-alone keyboards. You will need to judge for yourself. And the tilt-back legs on any deluxe reverb would be no "disgrace." It's all about what works for you.

Here's a suggestion ...if your handy and IF you determine that the DRRI works for you (with either ceramic or alnico speaker) then consider buying a used DRRI for around $750 or less (they're everywhere). There are lots of cabinet builders on the web (eBay, reverb.com, etc...) that would build you a really nice finished, bare-wood cabinet for it for less than $300. Your total outlay would be / should be under a grand. You could save several hundred this way.

JJuran
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Mar 26th, 2017 01:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

And instead of stock ceramic or alnico, you might install a nice EV or JBL 12" speaker in that DRRI for really nice low-freq tone.

Barzula

United States

Mar 26th, 2017 04:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for the input JJuran - you make many valid points. I didn't realize the Alnico speaker could be weaker with the bass than the standard speaker.

Interesting idea about buying used and having a cabinet made - but I'm so neurotic, I'd probably be happier buying new. One blemish on the face plate and I'd freak.

Worse case scenario, if I don't like the new limited edition, or any new Fender amp for that matter, I can always send the unit back. Granted I'd be out the shipping cost, but at least I can try it for a couple days and really compare it to my twin to make sure I love it.

I recently ordered a Vox AC15C1 from Sweetwater, and as soon as I heard the first note I knew I made a serious mistake. I'm sure it's a great amp, but not for my set-up!

(This message was last edited by Barzula at 06:37 PM, Mar 26th, 2017)

Peppy

Tucson

Mar 27th, 2017 05:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have the Princeton Reverb Knotty Pine version and the Cream rises to the top.

Te 52

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Mar 27th, 2017 10:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I guess I don't get the point of putting a 90 watt speaker in a 22 watt amp.

Barzula

United States

Mar 27th, 2017 01:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Amazon Prime had one listed for the past couple weeks through Chicago Music Exchange - emailed them to make sure I could return it, they said no problem. By the time I signed into Amazon, it had sold! Called them up and they didn't have any more. They did say it's a totally different amp from the Twin Reverb, and it would sound a lot warmer.

So I panicked and ordered one through Reverb (8th St. Music in NJ). I expect to have it before the end of the week so I'll report back.

(This message was last edited by Barzula at 03:06 PM, Mar 27th, 2017)

Peppy

Tucson

Mar 27th, 2017 05:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Te 52: I thought the same thing (well, my amp is 12 or 15 watts...site says 12, back amp panel says 15). It works though. Very well. Keeps it fairly tight while distorted and is loud and proud while clean. Very efficient so the amp can hold those cleans to a higher volume level. Sometimes you just gotta break the rules.

littleuch
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Mar 27th, 2017 06:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

At a glance the Celestion Alnico cream is a pricy speaker that gets a lot of good reviews.

Barzula

United States

Mar 30th, 2017 10:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Got the Knotty Pine Deluxe Reverb today. W O W. This Alnico Cream is really mellow. What a difference.

The reverb on the deluxe is totally different from the twin - it seems to get way more outer spacey.

It seems to me that channel 1 will break up at a lower volume than channel 2. Is this normal?

My Twin Reverb will be on eBay shortly.

(This message was last edited by Barzula at 12:43 AM, Mar 31st, 2017)

Te 52

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Mar 31st, 2017 10:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"...It seems to me that channel 1 will break up at a lower volume than channel 2. Is this normal? ..."

The vibrato channel has an extra gain stage, so it should break up at a lower setting of the volume knob than the Normal channel.

JJuran
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Apr 1st, 2017 05:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Excellent! Now you get to take your drill to that knotty pine cabinet to install the tilt-back legs :)

I think I'd be looking at alternatives to that. Lots of amp stands available or you could fashion something far less destructive.

Glad you got what sounds good to you. Would love to hear it with those keyboards...

By the way, when you refer to "channel 1" and "channel 2" are you referring to the numbered inputs or are you referring to the "normal" and "vibrato" channels (respectively)?

JJuran
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Apr 1st, 2017 05:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In an earlier post, I said that the tilt-back legs would be no disgrace. And for sure, it wouldn't. But man, that is one cool looking cabinet ...

larryguitar19
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larryguitar
Apr 1st, 2017 08:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That is possibly one of the prettiest amps ever made.

Barzula

United States

Apr 2nd, 2017 07:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks JJuran - I am considering other ways to tilt the amp, but to me the Fender legs always look the most natural. I have a 14" set coming tomorrow, but I may just hold on to them for now. If I decide to mount them, I may space them off the wood just a tad so they don't rub and make marks.

When referring to channel 1 and 2, I'm talking about the numbered inputs. Regardless of Normal or Vibrato, the number 2 channel on both sides is always lower, and I was told the number 2 channels break up sooner, but it seems to be the opposite. By "sooner", I'm not talking about the number on the volume dial, but rather at a lower dB.

Yes, this amp is truly beautiful, and so is the sound. I will try to get a video up soon.



larryguitar19
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larryguitar
Apr 2nd, 2017 06:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have one of these and it works pretty well.

amp stand

JJuran
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Boston Area

Apr 2nd, 2017 06:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

>>Regardless of Normal or Vibrato, the number 2 channel on both sides is always lower

This is by design. You will find the same on your Twin Reverb. The #1 input on both Deluxe and Twin Reverb are higher-level inputs than the #2 input. That is to say, the #1 input allows more signal to V1 than the #2 input does.

Sounds like all is normal and you got a killer amp. Best of luck!

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