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RDR
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Mar 31st, 2017 04:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks, maybe I could store it in one of those hookah joints...

Hammond101
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Mar 31st, 2017 04:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A cigar bar!

swampyankee
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Mar 31st, 2017 07:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic


I'd have the same problem if I bought a vintage head to use with my VM cabinet.

I'm told tea is a good aging stain.


Guitar Fool
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Mar 31st, 2017 08:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

RDR...that's a nice looking set up.....

I've never had the pleasure of a 15 in any amp setting, but would love to give it a try...


RDR
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Apr 1st, 2017 09:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The 15 has a nice full sound and is very sensitive (103.5 dB/watt). Not too bassy and plenty of high end. Also seems to have more horizontal dispersion than smaller speakers.

I had a BM cab and sold it because it was just too big for me. But those 2/12 large cabs do have a special sound to them.

Hmm,maybe I'll put in a variable resistor instead of the feedback resistor if I can find one of the right value.

Guitarfool, that is an awesome rig you've got there!

(This message was last edited by RDR at 11:52 AM, Apr 1st, 2017)

Guitar Fool
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Apr 1st, 2017 09:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

thnks bub....i actually got the chance to play through it today or about 30 minutes with my 72 thinline....

The Normal channel is a bit darker and less aggressive than the Vibrato channel...but with a patch cord you can blend the 2 together....and having a mid range control makes it all that much better..really sweet...

I must admit, its about the nicest sounding amp I've ever owned..and as nice as it is, I could easily be just as happy in a 2x12 config.

I just hope that the next guy that owns it after I'm dead and gone appreciates it as much as I do

Steve Dallman
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Apr 7th, 2017 12:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Back in the day, I had a few Bassmans and a couple Bandmasters. With guitar, I preferred the higher headroom of the Bassmans to the easily saturated output transformer of the Bandmaster. Before PA support and higher efficiency speakers, the saturation of the Bandmaster was just too much compression and clean tones at higher volumes were difficult. I had no such problems with Bassmans.

Hammond101
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Apr 7th, 2017 03:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Steve, this is also my impression of the Bandmaster Reverb. Not enough OT.

I will say however I bought a used '65 Bandmaster in about '75. Head and matching 2-12 cab and it was my only guitar amp for a long time, at least 10-12 years. I always got by with it.

It was clean enough to use as an acoustic amp in a country band and did gritty classic rock quite well.

Guitar Fool
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Apr 8th, 2017 08:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

interesting perspective Steve.... I always thought it was the other way around with the BM having more headroom

carsten

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Apr 8th, 2017 09:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi Guitar Fool!

It´s years ago, when I read that it was common practice to change the OT in Pro Reverbs and Bandmasters to Bassman-types to gain more headroom and punch.
I never got my head around that logic, though - as I never play places were I could think about CRANKING a Pro Reverb ;-)

But, like Steve pointed out, I guess this mod comes from an era when you had to play even large venues without a PA-system of some sorts...

Nowadays, I like to crank up my Deluxe, but I´m prepared to get the "turn it down"-yell from the FOH every time ;-)

cheers - C.



Guitar Fool
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Apr 8th, 2017 10:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"But, like Steve pointed out, I guess this mod comes from an era when you had to play even large venues without a PA-system of some sorts."

makes ton's of sense...

A good friend of mine was selling his BM..it had been modded and the trem circuit had been disconnect..which is fine with me as I don't care for it. I got it for 400 bills without tube's as I have a ton of them.....not sure if the OT has been replaced. I might have to double check.

and I see you have a nice Deluxe...very cool..mine is a 64....also got it from the same friend..(he has more vintage stuff than anyone I know!)

I've seen the Mosel but not the Rhine....I would have loved to take on of those river cruises when I was there but just didn't get the time....where on the Rhine are you?

carsten

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Apr 8th, 2017 11:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi Guitar Fool!

I´d been all over that Bandmaster for $400!
They´re like $1000+ on this side of the pond ;-)

I had a BM-Reverb for some time and I really liked it, but - like the Pro Reverbs I had before - it was just too much amp for my needs...

Yeah, my Deluxe is a January ´67 - one of the very last ones made!
I play it with the original Oxford, turned up to 7 or 8, and it never ceases to amaze me ;-)

Great that you´ve been to Germany!
The Mosel is beautiful - and it´s very close to the Rhine!
On a regular day, the Rhine just looks like any old river, but it kind-of sucks you in when you´re living here ;-)
Makes you feel all the people that have travelled these waters for so many years...

I live near Cologne - the north-western parts of Germany.
Feel free to get in touch if you come around here again!

best - C.





kart24
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Apr 9th, 2017 07:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Try a Pro Reverb.. Same as a Bandmaster but with reverb and in a combo cabinet.

But they are pricey. :)

swampyankee
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Apr 9th, 2017 07:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My post-vintage version of the Pro is a 90's Concert Amp. 60 watts, 1-12 combo. It's a punchy, beefy combo for smaller venues.
I was hoping a Bandmaster would be a vintage, head-cab rig that would give me similar punch, at least on the clean side.
I actually paid for a nice BMR, but the deal fell through. Probably for the best, since I've since read that the BMR is not as punchy as the earlier blackface Bandmaster. There's a couple decent looking BMs in the local ads I'm thinking of checking out. But the price of admission seems to be $1100 or so nowadays.

(This message was last edited by swampyankee at 09:52 PM, Apr 9th, 2017)

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Apr 13th, 2017 01:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm still getting stuck on the headroom and oomph of a Bandmaster Reverb. I like to have clean headroom and I've run out with my Vibroverb RI. Not cool when you're looking for clean volume. My 40 watt Bandmaster VM with its S.S. clean channel stays clean up up to 6 or 7 on the dial, which is where we get to at gigs. I really want a nice vintage tube tone, but I understand the Bandmaster Reverbs run out of clean at 4 or 5.

I'm seeing Showman Reverb heads selling for the same as Bandmaster Reverbs, and I'm tempted. But would 100 watts just be overkill? A nice vintage 60 watt head would be perfect but Fender never offered anything in that range...

Hammond101
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Apr 13th, 2017 02:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The Dual Showman Reverb and the Twin Reverb are the same amp. Exactly, with different faceplates, cabinets.

I don't know that I'd buy a Dual Showman Reverb head as you can probably buy a complete '70-'75 Twin reverb complete for less. Maybe even buy a chassis only and have Newell build a head cab which is what I'd suggest for a Twin Reverb anyway. Put the chassis in a head cab and do your own thing with the speaker cab.

I have a '75 Twin Reverb split but don't use it much at all. Shoot me an email if you would like to discuss it.

swampyankee
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Apr 13th, 2017 03:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I hear ya on the Twin. All sorts of variations of Twin in the ads, some reasonable, some not. I could go find a nice one and be done with it. But i thought handling a head-cab rig would be easier than lugging around a 75 pound combo.
Plus, I just like the whole piggy back Fender thing.

(This message was last edited by swampyankee at 06:01 PM, Apr 13th, 2017)

Hammond101
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Apr 13th, 2017 04:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What I'm sayin' is buy a Twin and put the chassis in a head cab. If you can find a chassis only (no cab) all the better.

My chassis is mounted in a factory Dual Showman Reverb head cab and I had Rick Johnson build 2-12 open back cab for a pair of Weber Neo 12s I had laying around.

swampyankee
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olde New England

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Apr 13th, 2017 06:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah, I get the build-a-head. I was tempted to make a head out of my CVR after I got my VVRI, but after pushing it to breakup at an outside gig I decided it wouldn't stay clean enough for what I wanted.
But I can get a "real" Showman Reverb for les

swampyankee
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Apr 13th, 2017 06:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, looks like I'll be posting a NAD thread by the end of the week. Got a 1970 Dual Showman Reverb head coming. It was between a Bandmaster and a Twin Reverb, so I thought the DSR is the best of both worlds. We'll see how it works out.

The DSR's seem to be a bargain right now. For the same money as a later 70's silver face Twin Reverb or a Bandmaster Reverb, I get early silver face TR circuitry and BMR flexibility with more headroom.

(This message was last edited by swampyankee at 10:02 AM, Apr 18th, 2017)

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