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BlondeStrat
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Mar 30th, 2017 08:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Leftee, I can certainly post updates as I go.

It's going to be a bit of a slow go for a while. On account of that I'll be taking an unorthodox approach on the exterior.

I can't flow a lot of cash to the project right now. I need to get the Camaro back to being a drivable, useable car, but Queenie and I are focused on paying off the mortgage.

The Camaro will be getting only the financial boost necessary to keep me busy and making progress.

(This message was last edited by BlondeStrat at 10:47 AM, Mar 30th, 2017)

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Mar 30th, 2017 09:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Leftee, here is some recent progress.

I removed the tail panel back at the beginning years ago. This winter I got the new one welded in.

As mentioned earlier, with the tail panel out it was the perfect time to re-do the trunk interior.

The floor had some pretty substantial pitting going on, so I took advantage.

Trunk compartment blasted clean and in fresh epoxy

(This message was last edited by BlondeStrat at 11:26 AM, Mar 30th, 2017)

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Mar 30th, 2017 09:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here is the final result. New panel went in very nicely.

That is to say it went in nicely for an aftermarket panel, it did not just fall in place by any stretch of the imagination. ;)

This was a big deal for me. I'm not an auto-body man. Most of this I am having to learn as I go.

I do participate on an auto body forum ... between that and some friends I get guidance to avoid too many crazy mistakes. ;)

New panel welded in, seam sealed and primed

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Jun 17th, 2017 09:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I finally have all the old red paint off the uni-body portion of the car, just finished sand blasting the rocker panels yesterday.

Pulled the roof rail seal and metal channel (seals between the top of the windows to the roof). It became pretty clear that this was going to need to come off to do a decent job.

A lot of the stripping in the door jam areas was done with a wire *cup brush* in a pneumatic die cutting tool.

I do all the stripping on the exterior body panels with nothing more than 80 grit sandpaper on (what amounts to) paint sticks.

This is not the easiest way from the perspective of my own labor. The advantage to it is I can take the existing finish down to whatever point I choose and stop without destroying existing body work.

The bigger deal though is I am keeping the panels flat as I work. That means when I finish stripping I am ready to move directly to the prep for the new finish ... as opposed to redoing what was perfectly good existing body work.

Granted I have run into some issues requiring more work. Had to weld in a new partial patch panel to the D/S rear quarter and a few other bits of new steel for rust repair.

Anyway, I'll be getting those rockers in epoxy this morning and then into some 2K build primer later today. That will have all of the main body of the Camaro clear of all problems and old red paint.

Next step will be to spray a protective shell of Capri Cream paint on it.

Edited to add: I don't consider this "protective shell" to be the final paint job. This project is going to take some time and primer is easily contaminated with whatever the environment brings it's way. If this coat of paint turns out super duper that's fine, but I'm not heart broken if I need to spray it again at the end.

(This message was last edited by BlondeStrat at 11:42 AM, Jun 17th, 2017)

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Last Sunday we had our annual car show on our downtown streets. I asked one of the owners what a custom show level paint cost. He said top paint shops charge $10 to $12,000 and it takes weeks not days. Where are you Earl Shibbe?

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Last Sunday we had our annual car show on our downtown streets. I asked one of the owners what a custom show level paint cost. He said top paint shops charge $10 to $12,000 and it takes weeks not days. Where are you Earl Shibbe?

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Jun 17th, 2017 10:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I asked one of the owners what a custom show level paint cost."

It might be surprising to many folks to discover that just the materials for the paint job could cost upward of $2,000.00.

Obviously that would not include paying anyone a single penny for the work they will have to do and the labor is the expensive part. ;)

In my case I am using very inexpensive paint (acrylic enamel) right now. Primarily because I am really just learning to spray paint. So when it turns out to be something less than wonderful and I have to sand it off to re-spray I've only practiced with a few hundred dollars in material in stead of well over $1,000.00 in material.

Not to mention my intent right now is just to protect the project while it's a project.

Two gallons of paint with the reducer and hardener will run me about $325.00.

For a top line two stage process, I'd pay that much or more for just a gallon of the base color ... then you need the reducer and hardener for it and then the clear and the reducer and hardener for that.

Heck, just a half gallon of epoxy primer runs about $125.00. A gallon on poly high build primer with the reducer and hardener will cost $175.00. High quality sand paper isn't cheap either. ;)

(This message was last edited by BlondeStrat at 01:23 PM, Jun 17th, 2017)

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Jun 17th, 2017 11:02 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What a timely re-boot of this thread.
My brother just bought a 1968 Pontiac Firebird.
I didn't realize that the Firebirds in those years were/are sort of considered "copies" of the Camaro.

I can sort of see some similarities now that I'm connecting the 2, but I never really saw the 2 cars as being all that similar in their look.

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Jun 17th, 2017 11:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I didn't realize that the Firebirds in those years were/are sort of considered "copies" of the Camaro."

The body is pretty much identical with only some cosmetic and trim differences.

The engines are different with the Pontiac having it's own line of power plants.



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Yeah, the car he bought has some sort of LS engine in it. It's from a Chevy Silverado.
Whatever works, I guess. haha

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Jun 17th, 2017 11:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Whatever works, I guess. haha

With these cars being 50 years old not that many still have much of the original drive train in them, or many other parts as well.

Here's a shot of where I'm at right now

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Jun 17th, 2017 11:41 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here is another from the tail panel. This is where I sprayed a test area of the Capri Cream.

Rear ... blacked out tail panel and test of new paint color

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Aug 26th, 2017 10:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just a little update on the car.

It's all painted from the windshield back.

I had to redo the spoiler. I had some blistering from (exposed) twenty year old lacquer primer.

Todays products don't play well with old lacquer base products, so I had to strip the spoiler down to bare fiberglass and start over :(

Progress

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What I have accomplished on the *new rendition* Camaro is:

Converted back to a points style ignition to make it more fool proof. The car kept blowing modules in the (multiple) HEI units I have had on it. Problem now solved.

Converted it to manual steering, just another move to make the car more fool proof.

Installed a new wiring harness to the rear of the car.

Installed a new (freshly rebuilt) Quadrajet Carburetor. With the old one sitting on the car for ten years and no run time it would start up and idle and move the car in and out of the garage, but I would not trust it to work right out on the streets for one second.

Pulled all of the old Vintage Air A/C system out. It wouldn't hold a charge and had a cracked case so when it tried to work it would drip condensation on the floor. I'll be installing just a factory heater system in the car ... no A/C. I know, that sounds certifiable insane for a car being used in the Mojave Desert, but that's what is happening. ;)

Next up (over the next couple of days) is installing a new *rigid* headliner. It's a more modern look, but most of all it give me more headroom while seated.

After that I can get the windshield back in and it's pretty much drivable. NOT DONE ... but street worthy and drivable.

(This message was last edited by BlondeStrat at 12:50 PM, Aug 26th, 2017)

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Aug 27th, 2017 12:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Great progress Blondestrat. I considered air on my Olds , but passed on it. I want to keep my car mostly period correct, but HEI and power disc brakes that the previous owner put on arent coming off .

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Aug 27th, 2017 01:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"HEI and power disc brakes that the previous owner put on arent coming off."

I wouldn't be pulling the HEI except for I can't keep it from blowing modules.

I've trouble shot wiring from power sourcing to grounds, multiple distributor units and they just want to blow modules.

I have tired of carrying multiple modules with me at all times. Then there is the annoying task of changing the damn things on the side of the road when it happens.

Another factor tipping me over the edge for the swap back was the factory tachometer is designed to be triggered by a points ignition (Negative pole of coil) so this gets me back in line with that as well.

This car did not come with a factory tachometer, I added that myself ... plus I added a factory console with gauges.

I did my disc brake conversion early on with this car. You don't realize how poor the manual drum brakes are until you are out in traffic among today's cars. A couple of times of everyone hitting the brakes and I'm hitting the brakes and heading toward the side of the road because my brakes won't keep pace with new cars. It was an even bigger concern for me when Queenie was driving the car. :(

The Camaro stops on a dime now.


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I am greatful for disc brakes. Honestly nothing wrong with an ignition with points and a rotor. Back in the day that's all we had. It's just something different . I used to replace my points, rotor and condenser every year and never had a problem. You can still get a tach/dwell meter at Summit Racing.

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Sep 11th, 2017 12:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I got the windshield installed today! That one is a big deal.

I had the rear window out and then the windshield out so I could weld in new steel (rust repairs) ... rendering the car pretty much useless.

Over the weekend I had the dash apart to go back through some electrical issues. I converted the car form *idiot lights* to factory gauges and tach about 20 years ago. All of the gauge wiring changed and had to be hand crafted by me at the time.

Sadly, with it being done so long ago, plus I've worked on several cars over that time ... Looking at this stuff now is only vaguely familiar.

After pulling the aftermarket A/C system out I had some wiring issues to clear up. I think I got them all including getting the heater wiring back to what it will need to be for a factory heater install. I'll be putting in all new harnesses in the future, but I need it to work for now while I take care of other issues.

I have located a complete heater assembly for my car, just need to finalize the deal and get the stuff here.

Anyway, while the windshield sets up I'm going to go reassemble the dash in the car and maybe this afternoon I'll take it out for a ride. Maybe even a ride to Discount Tire for some new rubber. I really need to replace those 18 year old tires. ;)

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"I really need to replace those 18 year old tires. ;)"


But they're low mileage, right?


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Sep 11th, 2017 12:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"But they're low mileage, right?"

I'd bet they don't have 3,000 mile on them.

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