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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: 1985 - Current / 65 SRRI vs 65 TRRI

BluesDood

United States

Blues Dood
May 30th, 2017 12:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm trying to debate between these two amps, after divorcing from a love-hate relationship with a 65 DRRI after 2 years. I got sick of the crummy bottom end, and am ready to find something that I won't be constantly fighting. If I had it my way, I would want a 35-40 watt deluxe reverb in a 2x12 format, that to me would fit my needs really well, but alas that isn't in production as far as I know.

So anyways, if anyone knows of something thats like a 40w 65 DRRI I'd be open to it, otherwise please let me know y'alls opinions between the super and twin, thanks.

Hammond101
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So. Cal. USA

May 30th, 2017 02:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A Fender Pro Reverb comes to mind. You'd have to buy vintage. 40W and 2-12s. A 69-75 silverface could save you some money.

I wanted a 40W Deluxe Reverb style amp so I built one. Black face DR circuit with Vibrolux sized transformers. When I want a 2-12, I set it on top of an 1-12 extension cab.






BluesDood

United States

Blues Dood
May 30th, 2017 02:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm using some financing options so modern production stuff is kind of the criteria I'm looking for. It sucks they don't make a vibroverb reissue, that'd be exactly what I'm looking for. I think I'm just going to go to guitar center this evening and see if I find something that inspires me. If all else fails I have a blues jr that works perfectly minus some cabinet buzz that I need to fix, but overall it's a stellar amp that's passed the test of time. Still, it can be a little one dimensional and boring after awhile so I'd like to find something else to keep me wanting to play.

BluesDood

United States

Blues Dood
May 30th, 2017 03:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Someone kind of affirmed a problem I had with tube rectifier amps in a review I saw on a super. The bass end just doesn't hold up, I had that problem with a deluxe reverb. It sounded good, but I hated how saggy the bass end was, likewise I thought the reverb sucked as well compared to any other blackface amp. So, even though I'm a blues player and all directions would point to a super, I may get a twin reverb. It has better reverb, and much better bass end I think because the solid state rectifier. I'll find out this evening when I go to GC, maybe I'm right, maybe not, I'll find out.

BluesDood

United States

Blues Dood
May 30th, 2017 08:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

To kind of answer my own question I went to GC, tried quite a few amplifiers and go figure I was drawn back to the blackface amps. I compared what they had, which was a 65 TRRI and 65 DRRI. To my surprise the TRRI had a radically different feel than the DRRI, the bass end was kind of "tubby", where the DRRI was really "aggressive". The TRRI had much better sound spread and reverb/tremolo, but the DRRI was better suited for blues/more aggressive style of playing.

So, with that said, in my estimate the competitors are the DRRI & SRRI. My only concern about the SRRI is that I'm not sure if I'm going to like the 410 speaker combination, and I"ll be buying new so it's alot to flop down on an amplifier. The DRRI I'm well acquainted and it's an absolutely great amp, but I always felt the reverb/tremolo were subpar next to the TRRI.

So I guess the results are kind of puzzling, I really wish they had a 65 SRRI in stock so I could try it out, but alas they didn't. I did try a silverface super reverb and was extremely underwhelmed, but it seemed to be in very poor shape anyways.

My thoughts are that the 65 SRRI will give the clean sound-spread the DRRI lacks, while also giving the same bluesy "aggressiveness" the DRRI has. Tough decision, I really wish I had a 65 SRRI to play, but I may just have to bite the bullet and see for myself in person what it sounds like. To be determined.

Peppy

Tucson

May 30th, 2017 08:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Had both the DRRI and the SRRI. Had a Twin Reverb decades back. I prefer the SRRI over both. No magical reason...well, except that its height makes a great seat.

uncleuncle

USA

Tootall
May 31st, 2017 04:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I solved the lack of bass issue on my drri with a GE-7 equalizer. Magic. I've had the opposite experience with vintage tube rectified amps. I find the bass to be round and full. ('64 Bandmaster, ''61 Bassman. Of course they are closed cabinets too.

Hammond101
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So. Cal. USA

May 31st, 2017 10:02 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My favorite BF Fender was my '67 Super Reverb. Best all around amp I've ever owned. I played mostly blues and classic rock through it. 4-10s move a lot of air. It had plenty of grunt.

The most popular bass cab ever built has to the 4-10.

I've had BF Twins as well and never thought they lacked bottom end.

As far as reverb and tremolo go it will vary from amp to amp. The Twin, Super and Deluxe Reverb all share the same trem and 'verb circuit. Differences in the reverb pans and optocoupler make each amp respond differently.

All of these RI amp will very greatly IMO. They run down an assembly line, get the nearly cheapest tubes possible rebadged as Groove Tube or Fender and are tested only to see if they have output. Bias voltage only is checked and it may be hot or cold depending on the tube set. Usually cold. Depending on how you like your new SRRI, a retube and bias may be in order.

BluesDood

United States

Blues Dood
May 31st, 2017 12:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

@Hammond, I think what my ears are hearing as far as reverb, is that a single speaker makes reverb sound not as "lush" as multiple speakers. The twin had much better reverb and tremolo than the deluxe imo possibly because multiple speakers moved more air. Likewise the twin was much cleaner so that may have effected how the reverb sounded.

@Uncleuncle, yeah idk man, like I said it was a love/hate relationship with the DRRI for me. It may be the 6v6's or something, but there was a quality of the clean sound I didn't like. I'm hoping the super's 6L6's will remedy the negative qualities I felt with the DRRI. Volume wasn't an issue, just the voice of the clean sound was always kind of dark and grunty, and that didn't bond well with a strat neck pickup imo.

@Peppy, I think I find the height of the amp an advantage, I won't have to put the amp on a stand to hear it as I always do with smaller amps. Besides that, my hope is with the mid control and bright switch I'll be able to better contour the sound and make it work for me. The only issue I see is the 10 inch speakers, I really hope they aren't to bright. I owned a run-down super reverb before and it had those Jensens, and they were really effing bright. I think that was just a symptom of an un-taken-care-of amp though, rather than just the speakers. We shall see though! I just orderd the super today, so it'll be in by Friday.

(This message was last edited by BluesDood at 02:23 PM, May 31st, 2017)

back breaker

eureka, usa

Kid! STOP! you're rockin' the forest!
Jun 1st, 2017 11:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Too bad you can't find a Vibro-King out there (GC has used ones). It's got bottom end for miles. best reverb of any amp out there and I play with a guitarist that uses mine and always feels like he has to dial it back.

Hammond101
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So. Cal. USA

Jun 1st, 2017 02:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Re-issue Jensens can be real bright, beamy too. The best cure is to remove the hard paper dust caps in the speakers and install hard felt, huge improvement in smooth.

RainboGuy

USA/Wisconsin

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Jun 2nd, 2017 07:44 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The '65 SRRI is an OUTSTANDING amp, and is in a class by itself.

You can't go wrong with one.

Peppy

Tucson

Jun 2nd, 2017 04:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

BluesDood: "Besides that, my hope is with the mid control and bright switch I'll be able to better contour the sound and make it work for me." Exactly. That middle control makes an appreciable difference. I liked it towards 8, treble around 6, and bass 4 or so.

RDR
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Jun 2nd, 2017 10:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Back in the day a SR was my favorite. No problem with low end. One thing to consider is if you are going for a creamy tone w/o pedals, the TRRI will be much louder than the SRRI (if you get there at all). I'd go for the SRRI.

BluesDood

United States

Blues Dood
Jun 4th, 2017 04:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

RDR, yeah I didn't really bond with the TRRI when I played it, I instantly bonded with the DRRI. I just want a slightly better DRRI in terms of reverb quality and eq-flexability. Like I said I would've bought a 35-40 watt DRRI if they had one, but alas they don't.

Rainboguy, that's my hope man, some of my favorite artists use them and I love how they sound, I hope I find my own voice as well with them.

Well the 65 SRRI coming in tomorrow, I really don't know what to expect. All the super reverbs I've ever tried have either been silver faced or old and needed new tubes. I'm interested to hear how the amp delivers, and hope that I can finally end my ridiculous tone search. I know I want a blackface amp, I just haven't found one that really does everything I want, I'm hoping the 65 SRRI does the trick.


Hammond101
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Jun 5th, 2017 09:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm very interested to see what you think of the SRRI after you spend some time with it.

BluesDood

United States

Blues Dood
Jun 5th, 2017 08:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

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BluesDood

United States

Blues Dood
Jun 6th, 2017 12:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Okay, now that amp has probably had 10-12 hours play time I'll give my current thoughts.

Firstly, it sounds extremely similar to my 65 DRRI in most every way. This is a good thing to me, because I love the DRRI. What's interesting about the reissues is that they're biased HOT, so if you're using hot pickups I can hear the amp slightly distort in the low-bass frequencies around 4, the DRRI was the same way. If I wanted I could lower the bias to be cooler and be clean longer, but I like the early distortion.

The 410 configuration & 6L6's are the only real difference between this amp and a DRRI. What that translates to is a tighter bass end when distorted, and more clean headroom. I will say that there is a certain amount of finicky-ness when dialing the clean sound of the SRRI, because to my ears the amp is too dark without the bright switch active when clean/low volume, but when it's active it's BRIGHT so it's kind of give and take. The DRRI's bright switch is less bright, so it gives a more even-well balanced tone all the time.

That said, the break-in was frustrating! I felt like I was playing a turd lol, likewise I wasted alot of time trying to make the amp sound good without the bright switch, but I found for me that's what brings out the best of this amps clean sound.

Now that I'm familiarized with the amp to a degree, and learned what makes it sound best I give it my seal of approval! I really dig it's distorted sound, and I even dig how it takes pedals. Likewise, I actually don't find it too loud, I live in an apartment, and it's honestly not deafeningly loud before 4, so there's plenty of clean volume to play with.

I'll end my wall of text now, hope that gives a decent summary of the SRRI. The foots notes are it's pretty much a DRRI in a 4x10 cabinet, except that you have much more EQ extremes, but not exactly the same "happy-medium" the DRRI achieves so easily.

(This message was last edited by BluesDood at 02:40 PM, Jun 7th, 2017)

BluesDood

United States

Blues Dood
Jun 9th, 2017 11:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

FINALLLY! I found out what I was doing wrong, I stubbornly fought the mid-range, leaving it at 7 thinking that I couldn't possibly lower the mid-range as I felt the sound to already be thin. As it turns out though it needed to be lowered so those frequencies weren't distorting. I set the mids to 3 and the amp all-the-sudden cleaned up tremendously, that's all I wanted!

So now that I'm POSITIVE that I found the correct dials, I was confident enough to make a short video, man the sound is an experience! Now that it's finally hitting that beautiful blackface clean ecstasy point, I'm blown away! So here's a short demo, excuse the sloppy playing, some points I was literally just working out ideas, but the sound speaks for itself!

Blackface For Days!

(This message was last edited by BluesDood at 01:33 AM, Jun 10th, 2017)

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