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stratcowboy
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Jun 1st, 2017 10:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Non-gloss black spray paint should do it...

OK...OK...sorry for the BS.

I've used Fralins for a long time. And my personal opinion is they sound great. What amp is he using? Has he messed with pickup height adjustment? Has he checked to see what value pots and capacitors are in the circuit? All these things have important impact on single coils.

Personally, I run my Fralins (Vintage Hots) with a 500K (not typical) volume pot w/a capacitor/resistor tone/volume mod to **keep** my high end crisp when the volume is down. Both tone pots are 250K (one for the middle and neck, the other pot for the bridge alone). I think I'm using a .022 tone cap as well (been quite a while since I've been under the hood). This setup has allowed me to have great crystal Strat tones with lots of dynamics (the 500K volume pot), but with the depth for good mellow tones as well. Never shrill. Gotta monkey with your setup to get it the way you want. But Fralin pretty much has the Strat (and Tele) figured out. It would be unusual to get a bad set.

Purple Valley
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Jun 1st, 2017 10:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Maybe he needs to be introduced to the....

dreaded tone knob?

Viera
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Jun 1st, 2017 10:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Go with nylon saddles like John Lennon did with his Casino?

reverendrob
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Jun 1st, 2017 11:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Adjust pickup height, make sure pots are the right value for the set, and tell him to turn the bright switch off and not set the amp like he's using buckers. :)

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Jun 1st, 2017 11:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My opinion use the amps tone controls and dial it in. then use the guitars tone control.



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Jun 2nd, 2017 12:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've switched to Tusq saddles on both my Strats. I think this change has made both of them sound a bit mellower. Trying "DR pure nickel" strings maybe the 1st and easiest option, worth a try, I highly regard these strings now after a few years of using them. Good luck on your quest!

Pinetree
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Jun 2nd, 2017 12:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Pickup height is correct.

And this is a complete loaded PG from Fralin.



DrKev
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Jun 2nd, 2017 04:28 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"not set the amp like he's using buckers"

Always my first though in similar situations. If he doesn't want to do that, EQ pedal.

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Jun 2nd, 2017 06:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Maybe he needs to be introduced to the .... dreaded tone knob?"

LOL, but you do make an excellent point.

littleuch
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Jun 2nd, 2017 06:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Scotchbrite pad.

;-)

Did this problem exist before the pickup swap? Maybe they're just not the right ones for him.

Pinetree
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Jun 2nd, 2017 07:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I haven't actually got my hands on the guitar yet, but it's a post pickup swap issue.

Could be buyers remorse for all I know.



ejm

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Jun 2nd, 2017 08:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I read all of the posts, and I don't recall a bad comment among them.

Another thought: Did he just install the pickups?
When he did, did he put brand new fresh sparkly virgin strings on?
You know where I'm going with this, right?


Pinetree
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Jun 2nd, 2017 08:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I can't say for sure, but I would assume he did.

BTW, this guy has been playing long enough to know and has a better ear for tone than myself.

Just tryin' to help here.



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Jun 2nd, 2017 08:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It wouldn't hurt to try a pure nickel set. I use them on everything. But I especially appreciate them on Strats and Teles.

littleuch
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Jun 2nd, 2017 09:03 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Years ago I built my Clapton/Brownie clone from a Gregg Rogers body and an Allparts neck. I put a set of Fralin Vintage Hots in it as I had already dug them in another guitar. I found the guitar too strident, which was an unexpected disappointment. So I tried a set of Fralin Real 54's. Pure magic. They'll stay there as long as I'm above ground. So impressed was I with the 54's that I tried a set in another guitar. I was disappointed with the results.

I don't know if there's a consistency issue in production or some other voodoo in play. Honestly, since this was an assembled pickguard I'd start by checking/testing the values of the pots and how the pickups measure up to Fralin's posted specs.

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Jun 3rd, 2017 11:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm sorry, I cannot help you.

XOXO,

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Leftee
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Jun 3rd, 2017 02:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm curious to see what you find when you do get your hands in it.

Pinetree
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Jun 3rd, 2017 03:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I asked him to bring it over to hear it through my amps.

I've been a single coil guy since about 2000.




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Jun 3rd, 2017 07:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Is there a tone knob connected to the bridge pickup? That is the best mod (and easy, of course) that I did to my latest Strat acquisition, a Robert Cray. Without the mod, the bridge pickup was unusable, for me anyway.

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Jun 4th, 2017 04:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I normally pull the claw down on my strat to where the bridge sits on the body, this adds mid-range to my ears. Tuning to e-flat with heavier strings again will provide a darker sound with more mid-range, but big strings aren't necessary. Likewise, as others said, lower pickup height will give a smoother sound.

This is the general format I use for my strats, e-flat, .ll gauge strings, bridge on body, low pickup height. It works for me, and makes overdrive sound far less brash and harsh.

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