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Ryder
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Butterscotch Blues
Jul 28th, 2017 12:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just got here!
It's a beautiful guitar, I'll say that right off.

Tuned it up and it sounds great unplugged. It sounds great plugged in also but I'll have to experiment with the guitar controls. Not used to this for sure.

The action is too high for my liking. I assume that means sanding down the saddle? What is the best way to do that?

I think I'm going to like this!

Ryder
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Jul 28th, 2017 01:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It seems to like the Carvin V16...but of course this is only a couple of hours after I received it.

And oh yes, the action will need to be lowered. It's like trying to climb stairs with your fingers...well, maybe not that bad, but it makes my hands hurt!

I am already bonding with it just the same. Love at first sight and hearing.

I'm reading where it takes more than just sanding the saddle. The only authorized dealer anywhere close to me is a Guitar Center. Do I dare take it to GC?

I've also used a good shop that is not an authorized dealer. I'll have to call them.

Thanks to you all who posted in my thread, Which A/E. The decision was hard but this will work for me. I'll probably be fingerpicking a lot more now! What a sound!

(This message was last edited by Ryder at 05:00 PM, Jul 28th, 2017)

Ryder
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Jul 28th, 2017 04:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just adjusted the truss rod and that helped lower the action a little, but not enough. I sure don't want to mess with the nut. I could probably sand the saddle myself if you think that's what it would take.

I will do some measuring.

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Jul 28th, 2017 04:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, it probably needs the saddle taken down some, but without looking at it, no one can say for sure...I'd take it to a tech you trust. If it takes much pressure at all to play first position chords, there's a good chance the nut slots need to come down a little, too. A good tech will determine that.

For the price of a set-up (probably $40-75) you'll have a guitar you love even more than you do already.

Ryder
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Jul 28th, 2017 04:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Mikey, I'll probably have to wait until Monday to talk to them but that's ok. I'm leaving for a week so that would be a good time to drop it off.

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Jul 28th, 2017 04:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Kewl! Glad you like the guitar. There is a used one in mint condition at my local GC right now, very tempting.

Acoustic setup sometimes does require saddle work. I've never investigated how the neck is attached on the Breedloves but unless it's a bolt neck w/shim like a Taylor you probably don't want to have it reset. It most likely doesn't need it.

Also check the guitar neck for relief. Capo the 1st fret and fret a string at the 12th fret. There should be about .005-.010" between the string and the mid point of the capo and 12th fret. Too much forward bow can make the strings too high from about the 4th fret up the neck. A truss rod adjust may be in order (tighten). To tighten you would want to reduce most of the string tension and turn the truss rod nut under the cover on the headstock about 1/8 turn at a time retuning to pitch after each turn then test. Nut slot depth can also make the action high. Almost every guitar I handle is too high at the nut from the factory.

It is an import but Breedlove claims they set up before they ship to a dealer but there setups or even Martin's or Taylors are not like mine :-)

Also you haven't played acoustic until a few hours ago. It will feel clunky and high even if nothing is out of spec. After a while your hands will gain strength and you will go back and forth and not realize any real differences other than you tend to over bend your electric the first few times you bend a string!

Where did it come from? What climate? A wet guitar will have the action higher due to top swell (upward). If the guitar came from a humid climate it may be damp and need to dry a bit and the action will lower. 40-45% humidity is about perfect.

You or a good tech should work with all of the above first before messing with resets or shims.

Take some time to get used to the new feel and check for a bowed up top from humidity before any adjustments are made.


Ryder
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Jul 28th, 2017 05:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Hammond! I did adjust the truss rod. Mine is right under the sound hole. That helped but not enough.

It came from Dallas, TX.

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Jul 28th, 2017 05:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah, I was typing and working so you post about the truss rod came before I was finished.

both climates can be pretty humid in the summer. There might be something there.

The trick to saddle work is to have enough downward pressure to still get good sound and have the transducer under it get good contact for electric use.

Ryder
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Jul 28th, 2017 05:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"The trick to saddle work is to have enough downward pressure to still get good sound and have the transducer under it get good contact for electric use."

That's the trick alright! I'll take it in to have that done.

Also, where is the battery for the electonics?

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Jul 28th, 2017 06:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Did you sniff the sound hole? C'mon, you can tell us. Ya' sniffed it... didn't cha'?!?

Ryder
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Jul 28th, 2017 06:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Mmmmm, delightful!

Found the battery. Nice. I like the Baggs system. Tuner is right on, presence, treble, middle, bass, volume.

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"Thumbpicks don't slide into soundholes"
Jul 28th, 2017 08:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Did you do the old "two dimes stacked under the bass string at the 12th fret" to see if it's really set up too high? I switch from acoustic to electric and back a lot and if I haven't been fighting the acoustic guitars for a while I swear they are screwed up. Then the reality sets in. I'm just not used to the acoustic strings anymore .

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Jul 28th, 2017 09:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What gauge strings are you using on the Breedlove? I think that often folks go too heavy on acoustic strings. I find it comfortable to use 12-53. Sometimes I'll go to a 13 for the high E. Depends.

To lower the saddle, I get a brand new (very clean, very flat) fine-toothed file. Once the saddle is off the guitar, I can set it down evenly on the surface of the file and slide the saddle across the surface of the file nice and evenly in the cutting direction--shaving just a hair at a time. You can get a very even and smooth cut this way. Trimming just bits at a time, you can reset the saddle and see how much improvement there's been and if it suits your taste.

I don't have the experience in working nuts or their slots comparatively. I would probably go to a tech for that (not easy around here in the boonies).

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Jul 29th, 2017 04:18 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I watched the luthier @ EM Shorts cut the saddle down on my J-45. He pulled out the saddle, drew a pencil line on the bottom edge(corner) front and rear. Then he sanded it, one direction, with a piece of maybe 180-220 grit flat on the table until the pencil line just disappeared. Stuck the saddle back in, tuned it up, checked the action and then repeated once again. He showed me how so I could do it myself. (I'm a long time good customer). Anyway, that's how the big boys do it!

Also, if you get it back together and the transducer is not picking up a string or two he said to take a couple pencil eraser rubbings and drop them in the area that's not working. The eraser rubbings will compress under pressure transducer will work again.

Ryder
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Jul 29th, 2017 06:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks guys.
I'm in touch with Mike Horan at Mass Street Music in Lawrence, KS. He said $50 for the setup...includes the nut and saddle adjustments.

I could sand the saddle, but don't want to mess with the nut.

(This message was last edited by Ryder at 08:23 AM, Jul 29th, 2017)

Ryder
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Jul 29th, 2017 06:41 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

stratacowboy, Breedlove's website says D'Addario EXP 16.

Not sure what those are. I played as long as my hand could take it last night.

It came with another bridge and a couple of thin white strips. Are those shims?

(This message was last edited by Ryder at 08:44 AM, Jul 29th, 2017)

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Jul 29th, 2017 07:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

12-16-24-32-42-53.EXP Coated Phosphor Bronze Acoustic Guitar Strings

Ryder
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Jul 29th, 2017 07:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Will do!

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Jul 29th, 2017 09:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That's a reasonable gauge. Should play pretty easily, actually. Sooooo...probably a setup thing and a "gettin'-used-to-it" thing.

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Jul 29th, 2017 09:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"It seems to like the Carvin V16"

I used to use my Carvin V16 for AE at home with pretty good results. Try turning the mid up all the way and turn the bass and treble to 0. Supposedly (I heard it on the internet so it must be true :-) ) doing this partially bypasses the tone circuit making it sound more like an actual Acoustic electric amp.

Enjoy that new Breedlove.

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