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teemon

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Aug 1st, 2017 08:17 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ok. So it is common knowledge and belief that most of the teles signature tone is caused by the bridge/ashtray design.

Well I have seen and heard many a tele, mostly you tube, that are sort of non traditional teles that do not have the ashtray or sometimes not even a single coil in the bridge, that are still twangin and doing the tele thing.

Why?


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Aug 1st, 2017 08:27 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Because "twang" and "snap" are as much a product of playing style as they are pickups and hardware.

While it's not exactly the same, I can get all sorts of twangy "country" tones from the bridge pickup on a 335. Set the volume and tone controls right and dig in with a little hybrid picking and you're there!

I regularly do it on my Fidelitron-loaded Cabronita's.

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Aug 1st, 2017 12:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What MLC said. 335s can be very twangy. I can get all the twang my ears care to hear from my Strats.

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Aug 1st, 2017 04:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Idk about a 335. I've never heard a guitar with ahumbuckers Twang like a tele (sure you can fake it.. but real twang? no....

The best pickups for "Twang" are not hot or overwound. "White Guard" Telecasters's (early 1960's ) are known for being the best at "Twang" their pickups were wound a little less hot than the "Black Guard's of the 1950's

The more hotter the tele bridge, the less it twangs. Also playing through the right amp for Twang is important. I play Country w/ Telecasters and use a Twin Reverb. The voice of that amp lends itself to "Twang"

"Twang" isn't a clean tone per say, but rather a raspy clean.. a warm edgy break up just on the tail end of the note.. It's not the amp just on the edge of breaking up either.. Get a decent Telecaster w/ decent pups, play an amp conducive to Twang .. u will know it when you play that first note.

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Aug 1st, 2017 05:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A fine Les Paul with cooler (PAF, etc.) pickups can sure twang and snap.

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Aug 2nd, 2017 04:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a 52 RI tele with Harmonic Design replacement pickups in it. Maximum twangage on the bridge pickup. It kills!!

teemon

Florida

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Aug 20th, 2017 07:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Great informative comments fellas. Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.

Although. What I mean is a tele without the ashtray still sounds like a tele to me.

Guess I am trying to say the ashtray bridge cant be the predominate source of the teles bite or twang to me.

Cabronita for example

(This message was last edited by teemon at 09:43 AM, Aug 20th, 2017)

teemon

Florida

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Aug 20th, 2017 07:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I know you can make any guitar twang.

Also I can hear it unplugged so not a pick up thing.

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Aug 21st, 2017 05:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My Baja Tele is ultra twangy and it's definitely the guitar. I do play differently on this guitar, as I use it primarily for country. However, the guitar's twang MAKES you want to play hot rod country licks and faux pedal steel stuff.

I can get "some" twang out of Strats and my Gretsch Silver Jet, but nothing like the Baja Tele. The ash body and maple neck and fretboard provide the brightness and the Tele design adds the twang.

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Aug 21st, 2017 10:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It is the sum of the parts for sure. And not just one particular style of a part. RE: the 335 example.

teemon

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Aug 21st, 2017 11:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes yes...sum of parts

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Aug 28th, 2017 02:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"My Baja Tele is ultra twangy and it's definitely the guitar"

Agree. :)

side-swipeTelecaster

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Sep 2nd, 2017 10:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Finger style picking AND the guitar and amp I say...

I also say bulldung to an aforementioned opinion that hot pickups take away from twang----my Tele has a Duncan hot rails in the bridge and the guitar twangs w/a set of basketball size brass balls....




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Dec 15th, 2017 08:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I believe the Tele steel bridge plate with the saddles sitting on it and the strings anchored through the body are the key design features. So different to how a Strat bridge and cavity work. And I definitely prefer three saddles to six on a Tele. I`ve used both brass and threaded steel saddles and found each guitar will tell you which is best. Some Teles, usually with mellower pickups and a rosewood board, need the extra bite of steel whilst others need warming up with brass.

(This message was last edited by davywhizz at 02:24 AM, Dec 17th, 2017)

Gottabe

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May 29th, 2018 06:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I felt my 2010 MIM GCSpecial Edition Tele lacked the kind of Nashville twang I was looking for. I put a set of Seymour Duncan five two pickups on it and, wow, did that make a difference.
This isn’t my imagination getting getting the best of me — when one of my guitar students parents heard it, he told me that guitar really nailed the Tele sound.

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May 29th, 2018 08:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A lot of the unmistakable "Tele twang" you hear from the traditional bridge pickup is a bit of ear trickery.

It's actually an EQ curve created by the differences in harmonics of the individual strings. When listening to a standard Tele bridge pickup, it's this EQ contrast that makes the treble twang even more apparent.

The EQ curve is created by the angled bridge pickup, which senses each string at a different distance from the bridge. This accentuates different harmonics on each string.

Stratocaster bridge pickups are angled too, but check this out: the angle is not the same as that on a Telecaster; it's shallower, as follows (note: measurements are averages, depending on string gauge/intonation).

Stratocaster
High E pole piece from saddle: ~1 3/8"
Low E pole piece from saddle: ~1 7/8"

Telecaster
High E pole piece from saddle: ~1 3/8"
Low E pole piece from saddle: ~2 1/4"

This places the low E saddle 3/8" farther from the bridge than on a Strat. It's also why--when you install a Tele pickup in a Strat pickguard--the tone is not entirely Tele flavored. It's close, but never bang on.

Even so, on other other guitars, and even with some humbuckers, you can get close to that Tele twang simply by picking hard, close to the bridge. It accentuates those upper harmonics.


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May 29th, 2018 11:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Why do you think my Seymour Duncan five two pickups made such a difference? Their still angled the same.

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May 29th, 2018 12:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

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May 29th, 2018 02:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Gottabe, the way a pickup is made (ingredients and amounts) affects a pickup's voice.

For example, even if the Ohms resistance of two pickups match, different magnet material will make them sound unlike each other.

Leftee, I have two guitars with reverse Tele bridge plates. It does make them lose a chunk of their twang, but the tone is still useable. It's just different.

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May 29th, 2018 02:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah, I find it pretty neat yet hard to describe. I haven’t played this one through the Marshall yet.

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