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FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / Roland Blues Cube.... Why?

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willie
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Aug 9th, 2017 08:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Roland sort of has a problem with confusion with their past and present amp names.

The Roland Cube series actually began back in about 1978. They basic cube amps (20, 40, 60, 100, etc) were pretty basic cube shaped amps that were near indestructible but sounded good and tight. There were also the Super Cubes that were introduced in the 80's.

Then in the 2000's they added Composite Object Sound Modeling or COSM to their Cube series of amps and the Cube XL was born. These were awesome amps as they had the heart of the old cube amps with the added advances in tube audio emulation and the excellent Boss effects from the COSM technology.

Then came the latest series of Cubes the new Blues Cube series that employes even more advanced technology. The Boss Katana amps (mini, 50, 100) are offshoots from the latest advances with COSM effects added that the blues cubes don't have...or want for that matter.

So, it can get really confusing with discussing the Roland "Cube" amps...

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reverendrob
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Aug 9th, 2017 06:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My guess is the recent Boss amps is an attempt to eliminate some of that confusion - put Roland's name on the more expensive (generally) stuff, the $2k Boss Waza amps not withstanding.

Leftee
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Aug 10th, 2017 06:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So... I never heard of the Waza series. So I just looked them up.

Ho-lee-cow!

But if I was a touring musician something like that would be a no-brainer.

vegetablejoe

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Aug 12th, 2017 02:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I find the new Blues Cubes quite pricey. Are they as good or better than the original Blues Cubes?

My BC-30 is still going strong. And it does sound bluesy without the need for a pedal to get some dirt.

Just wondering if the new series comes from the same lineage and has this characteristic. Not available locally to try out.


willie
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Aug 12th, 2017 05:54 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Totally different animal. That said, I would say tone wise and versatility wise they are night and day above the old BC series.

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Mick Reid
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Aug 12th, 2017 05:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Are they as good or better than the original Blues Cubes?"

"Totally different animal."
+1

The best way I've seen it described is in a discussion from another forum regarding the Katana vs Blues Cube: (excerpts)

"Other than that the Katana is based on an EL34 tube amp circuit and the Blues Cubes on a 6L6 tube amp circuit so their basic voicing will be somewhat different as will the number of internal effects available to the user."

"IMHO they're actually designed for different markets and to compliment one another rather than to compete. The Katana will appeal more to users of modeling amps looking for better tonality and simpler operation and some tube amp users looking for a convenient grab and go amp with built in effects. The Blues Cubes would tend to attract the more traditional tube amp user possibly looking to replace an aging tube amp with something more maintenance free and possibly lighter. JMHO"



stratcowboy
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Aug 12th, 2017 06:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"...designed for different markets and to compliment one another..."

That should be *complement* one another.

archiestone
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Aug 12th, 2017 06:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Katana is based on an EL34 tube amp circuit and the Blues Cubes on a 6L6 tube amp circuit "

It'd be neat to see them offer both (switchable?) in a future revision. Maybe a 'tube mix' too, a la Egnater Rebel.

Mick Reid
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Aug 12th, 2017 07:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"That should be *complement* one another."

That was a cut & paste quote.

"Maybe a 'tube mix' too, a la Egnater Rebel."

The Blues Cube Artist (which is what I'm interested in) has a "Dual Tone" switch that combines the Clean and Crunch channels. It's *very* cool and lends to some really unique and interesting tones.


stratcowboy
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Aug 12th, 2017 09:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"That was a cut & paste quote."

Yes...I realize that. And I apologize for being a language nut. The internet drives me crazy.



Mick Reid
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Aug 13th, 2017 01:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Yes...I realize that. And I apologize for being a language nut. The internet drives me crazy."

Hah!!! Yeah no worries! I know how you feel.

It drives me freakin' mental when I see "Squire" instead Squier on guitar forums!

:^)

Leftee
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Aug 13th, 2017 05:44 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The Internet drive me crazy too.


It's a short trip.

mirrorboy

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Aug 13th, 2017 06:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Surely it should be expressed thus...

"complement each other".

"It is often maintained that each other should be used to denote a reciprocal relation between two entities, with one another reserved for more than two: thus The twins dislike each other but The triplets dislike one another.

Sixty-four percent of Usage Panelists say that they follow this rule in their own writing. But it should be pointed out that many reputable writers from Samuel Johnson onward have ignored the rule and that the use of each other for more than two, or of one another for two, cannot be considered incorrect.

In particular, there are contexts in which each other and one another are subtly different in meaning. When speaking of an ordered series of events or stages, one another is the preferred form. Thus the sentence The waiters followed one another into the room was preferred by 73 percent of the Usage Panel to the sentence The waiters followed each other into the room."


stratcowboy
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Aug 13th, 2017 07:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Cool! I'm not alone!!

Mick Reid
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Aug 13th, 2017 07:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Now that we've cleared that up...

The Blues Cube Artist is a freaking awesome amp, and ticks all the boxes I have for a modern SS amp. Great tones, 2 channels, good reverb & tremolo, FX loop, loud but light weight, simple straight forward operation. (and no software!)

I'm presently shifting some finances around so I can hopefully get one this week. (next week at the latest)


stratcowboy
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Aug 13th, 2017 11:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

They do, indeed, seem interesting. Kind of a neck-and-neck level of interest between the BCA and the Katana 50. The 50 is so interesting with its entry price. The BCA for its more solid approach. But neither of them is going anywhere for a while, so that makes it easier to hold back for a bit and reflect and consider.

Then spend...

archiestone
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Aug 13th, 2017 11:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

'...ticks all the boxes...'

No 'speaker out/external speaker' is a wee bit disappointing to me.

willie
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Aug 13th, 2017 12:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Manufacturers of solid state amps are very wise to limit or omit external speaker jacks...as a now retired amp tech with maybe too many years as a bench jockey, I saw a lot of blown solid state output stages due to well meaning amp owners connecting improper speaker loads. Tube amps can generally tolerate this where most solid state amps will not.

I did not find the stock speaker to lack in any way...at volume with any type guitars or styles employed...of course, YMMV and there are always different strokes for different folks...

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Mick Reid
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Aug 13th, 2017 05:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"No 'speaker out/external speaker' is a wee bit disappointing to me."

I can see that as an issue for some, but speaking for myself, it's a non-issue. The stock speaker sounds fantastic imo and there is *plenty* of volume from the single 12.

There is a 'line out' if you wanted to go into a PA. Not the same, I know, but it is an option. And the line out doesn't cut out the internal speaker.

And FWIW, there is a 100w head called the Blues Cube Tour, if you really wanted to use external cabs.


willie
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Aug 13th, 2017 06:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Exactly...good points Mick.

w

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