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jefe46
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Sep 3rd, 2017 01:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I wasn't aware there was a debate. Facts are facts. No debate necessary.

Harleys aren't selling and Chrysler/JEEP are in deep stuff once again over quality. Just the facts. No debate.
I am simply repeating what most of the educated world knows.

I spent years working at a factory authorized Jag dealership..(and 11 more lines of British cars..)
As long as customers kept the hood and their tool box closed, and miles away from independents with a Union Jack flying.. fine cars.

Oh and then there was the period when Ford entered the Jag picture..
And Mercedes when Chrysler entered the picture..

Just the facts.






saturn
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Sep 3rd, 2017 04:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Harley are selling well. I don't get your aversion to the facts.

Jeep have gone upmarket.

Perceived quality versus status never harmed Land Rover.



jefe46
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Sep 3rd, 2017 06:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Harley is down in sales,, that's "doing well" ?

JEEPS have gone up market and tanked.

Land Rover died when the rolling cupholders hit Ammurrikka.

You can still get a real Land Rover outside the USA. Clueless buyers dictate the product sent here. They are trying to keep up with JEEP.

jefe46
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Sep 7th, 2017 01:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Some news about some famous makes showing international activity.

Royal Enfield and Ducati

K4
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Sep 9th, 2017 08:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I don't get it.

Royal Enfield Went out of business in 73 with Norton, it was bought by an Indian company. Ducati cannot stay in business and is for sale, again. Possibly to the same Indian company that owns Enfield.

Why the fascination with machines no one wants?

saturn
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Sep 9th, 2017 09:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Harley are still up there, selling well. They are predicting only a small decrease by the end of the year. Given the overall market conditions, that would be a good showing.

jefe46
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Sep 9th, 2017 11:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Norton is not owned by an Indian Company. And interesting that they "went out of business in 1973" when they introduced the 850MKIII with electric start in 1975. They were also building bikes into the 80s with rotary engines also cop bikes and racers.

Who cares who owns Royal Enfield. They are successful, and making and selling more bikes than Harley.

Ducati has been mismanaged since they were taken over by Cagiva who also bought Morini and tanked them, not unlike Harley buying Aermacchi and destroying them,.

(This message was last edited by jefe46 at 01:48 PM, Sep 9th, 2017)

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Sep 9th, 2017 08:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Harley is not doing well around here, sales are WAY down over the last few years,

K4
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Sep 9th, 2017 09:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I suppose in India small CC motorcycles are practical. Not here.

I thought this was a Chrysler (Jeep) bashing thread.

(This message was last edited by K4 at 11:40 PM, Sep 9th, 2017)

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Sep 10th, 2017 12:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Harley have around 50% of the US market for their product, having increased share whilst the market dipped.

Hardly the end.

Compare to the Ford F Series. If they lost a few percent of sales, whilst increasing market share, they would still be hands and shoulders the giants in their segment. It is all relative.

(This message was last edited by saturn at 02:47 AM, Sep 10th, 2017)

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Sep 10th, 2017 04:02 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Harley is down in sales,, that's "doing well" ?"


All motorcycle sales are down and Harley is still leading the pack by a very wide margin. All the facts, not just the ones that support a particular position.


We have about 250 cars in the parking lot where I work. The 3 that spend the most time broken down/in the shop are a Mercedes, a BMW and an Audi A8. The owner won't let the Mercedes park in the front lot because of the oil slick it leaves underneath.

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Sep 10th, 2017 10:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Uh, perhaps it's trying to be a Harley. HAHA!

[peegoo jets from the bar as beer bottles impact the door frame behind him and waits in the parking lot]

Okay you scooter peaches! Who wantsta fight me? BRING IT!


:o)

K4
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Sep 11th, 2017 06:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ummmm, PeeGoo, is that you hiding under the green Jeep Wagoneer?

Come on out buddy, I'll buy you a Duffs.

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Sep 11th, 2017 11:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I won't buy Chinese as long as they are an ally of North Korea.

saturn
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Swinging The Lead
Sep 11th, 2017 01:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Good luck trying to avoid buying Chinese. I doubt there are many complex electrical items in the current market that don't have something, or lots of things, Chinese in them.

Are they moving production to China?

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Sep 11th, 2017 02:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Even the FDP has Chinese parts...

Not really.

Leftee
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Sep 11th, 2017 02:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The FDP might be the last place on the web the Chinese haven't hacked.

El Kabong
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Sep 12th, 2017 07:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My Martin and my Fender have no Chinese parts.

saturn
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Sep 12th, 2017 02:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I absolutely guarantee the FDP runs on servers with some Chinese parts.

Likewise, Martin and Fender obviously use complex electrics in their production systems.

I know it's only tongue in cheek, but it does touch on an issue I have seen raised so many times. Chinese manufacturing is a huge deal, and there are extremes of quality. That is much more to do with price levels and quality control than anything else.

They make some of the best things, and some of the worst.

Logical really.

I do love my USA guitars and amps.

It is not as though the USA didn't have some quality issues in those areas over the years, just not majorly.

As for some of the car manufacturing in the past, well that neatly brings us back to this thread's original subject.

Depending on quality control, a Chinese overseen production line might actually improve the quality of Jeep.

Hopefully the jobs stay in the States.

(This message was last edited by saturn at 04:52 PM, Sep 12th, 2017)

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