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Bubbalou

USA

THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Nov 30th, 2017 06:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

I used Scotch Brite no scratch pad with Dr. Ducks Axe Wax. UCB better. archiestone, I will definitely try 3M ‘Finesse-It. Thanks

Bubbalou

USA

THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Dec 1st, 2017 11:52 AM   Edit   Profile  

Found some very good strings recommended by 2 guitarists for the SG. D'Addario NYXL .010-.046
They sound good, feel good,very balanced and quickly come to retain their tuning.

Judging by a D'Addario demo video a guitarist (at the dismay of Mr. D'Addario who told him "your not allowed do that" the guy pulled way up on his vibrato to the point it was very high pitched and it came back to tuned position. Not once but twice. That creeped me out as I expected the string to literally "explode" from the guitar so with that I am going to try a set on an Ibanez with a whammy bar so we'll see, however I will not be using it out of normal parameters.

NYXL Demo

BrentD
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Michigan

Harumph.
Dec 2nd, 2017 04:23 PM   Edit   Profile  

Just play it! It'll shine up. I've owned at least three faded Gibsons, and they all glossed up over time.

Bubbalou

USA

THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Dec 3rd, 2017 09:04 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks BrentD ;)
It wasn't the fact it wasn't glossy but that from the 1st thru the 5th Fret area on the back of the neck was rough feeling. Scotch Brite pad and Dr. Ducks Axe Wax did the trick.

BrentD
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Michigan

Harumph.
Dec 3rd, 2017 09:23 PM   Edit   Profile  

So it felt like it wasn't fully sanded? Glad you got it worked out, I just haven't heard of that before on these.

Peegoo
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Roisin, I wanna

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Dec 4th, 2017 02:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

It's more like an open-pore feel because these are down-market models with reduced finish work: they are not grain-filled, leveled, wet sanded and polished like the super glossy (mo'spensive) models.

They get sanded with 220, stained, and then a few thin coats of clear lacquer--and out the door they go. I've seen orange peel on some of these.

If you've handled one of the Faded Series SGs, LP Juniors, Flying Vs, or Explorers, you'll be familiar with the surface feel.

The cool thing is if you like the slick glossy feel on a guitar, you can remove the hardware, apply several coats of clear nitro, and level and sand it to obtain a mirror-like surface.

Bubbalou

USA

THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Dec 4th, 2017 04:23 PM   Edit   Profile  

What Peegoo said hits the nail on the head. I wouldn’t know how to spray nitro except using a spray can. Is that viable?

stratluvr
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Dec 4th, 2017 04:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

A spray can is totally doable. I bought a Les Paul Standard Faded about 10 years ago and did just what Mr. Peegoo said. I stripped off the hardware, sprayed several coats of clear, wet sanded it and sprayed some more. It could have came out a little better if I sanded more. The devil is always in the details.

Peegoo
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Dec 4th, 2017 05:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

Very cool. The number one rule to always remember about applying a finish on a guitar is this:

1. There are no shortcuts.

This means you have to take your time, be patient, and don't try to speed things forward. Pay attention to the smallest detail because when a finish gets polished the little insignificant issue becomes a large detail.

Work cleanly.

Sand lightly and very carefully, especially over corners, because the sandpaper will burn through the finish to the wood in the blink of an eye.

If you rush the job, you will later regret not taking that extra week or three to do it properly.

Bubbalou

USA

THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Dec 5th, 2017 10:51 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks stratluvr and Peegoo ;)

BrentD
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Michigan

Harumph.
Dec 6th, 2017 08:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've had a Faded LP Studio, a Faded DC LP Special, and a Faded LP Junior. All of them smoothed out with play - they did get shinier but I suppose I mis-typed when I wrote, "glossed up." I really meant that they got smoother.

The reason I asked about how it felt is that even the open pores never felt unsanded. They certainly have a texture but never one that feels to me like it had to be hit with any abrasive material.

Bubbalou

USA

THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Dec 7th, 2017 03:50 PM   Edit   Profile  

No Worries BrentD. It is smoother now :)

BrentD
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Michigan

Harumph.
Dec 7th, 2017 09:20 PM   Edit   Profile  

Likewise on the no worries! Just hoping to spur some conversation and hoping you got a good one!

Bubbalou

USA

THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Dec 8th, 2017 07:09 PM   Edit   Profile  

Other than that small finish problem there was a slight amount of Rosewood fingerboard shrinkage due to being dry so I had to condition the fingerboard and take care of a small amount of the fret sprout.
Other than that the Neck, fretwork and ease of playing is awesome. I lowered the string height and still no fret buzz (say's a lot about Plek'g)
Over all it is a very decent guitar.

(This message was last edited by Bubbalou at 01:54 AM, Dec 10th, 2017)

Bubbalou

USA

THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Dec 13th, 2017 04:13 PM   Edit   Profile  

Ok, so I put a set of Seymour Duncan 59 Blues Pickups (black with no cover) on my Gibson SG 2016 Special. I found Pickups seem to favor certain strings. The Stock 490R and 490T did well with NYXL's but not my favorite DR Pure Blues Nickels however just the opposite with the 59's NYXL's were ok but not that glassy chimey sound. Put Pure Blues Nickels on with the 59's and it is perfect. Glassy chime "deluxe". I was beginning to think I made a mistake buying the SH-1 59 Blues set until I change the strings now I am really loving the tone. I play mostly clean so this is the sound I was looking for. If you like big fat louder tones with very good sustain then the 490's with NXYL's are great!

(This message was last edited by Bubbalou at 06:14 PM, Dec 13th, 2017)

Peegoo
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Dec 13th, 2017 04:25 PM   Edit   Profile  

That's good intel!

Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Dec 13th, 2017 07:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

I had looked on the Sweetwater site on these pickups and could not find any information about which magnet type were used. Are they Alnico 5? I think the Parson Street humbuckers are not wax potted and would be really close to the same model?!?! Regardless of the composition, if it is unpotted, I would choose for them to be uncovered also. I've noticed on some of my Gibson humbuckers that weren't potted to have more feedback issues, and when I removed the cover, the pickups were more responsive and didn't feedback. So, good call on using that arrangement.
I really enjoy my 57's and they are Alnico 2's. They make a Les Paul sound so good in every application I use them with. Distorted, clean. .... They just work and have good balance.
To get the most out of your pickups, use the 50's style wiring scheme. It really opens up the tone and volume.

Bubbalou

USA

THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Dec 13th, 2017 07:03 PM   Edit   Profile  

Cal, the stock pickups are 490R and 490T
Here is Gibson’s information
“490R - "MODERN CLASSIC" - NECK PICKUP

The mid to late 1960s saw the emergence of a very different type of music coming from the clubs of England. It was an interpretation of the blues that hadn’t been heard before, and it was much harder, more rocking, and definitely louder than anything else before it. As such, this new genre’s players were demanding more powerful amplifiers with increased volume outputs to satisfy their sonic explorations. This led to a call for a more versatile pickup that could split coils through a push/pull knob, and prevent microphonic feedback from occurring when the volumes were turned up to maximum levels. Gibson answered this call with the introduction of the revolutionary 490T and 490R pickups (“T” for treble, and “R” for rhythm), which has the traditional characteristics of the original “Patent Applied For” pickups, but with two key modifications. First, a four-conductor wiring scheme allows the 490s to be connected to any push/pull knob, which lets players split the coils and increase versatility. Gibson also introduced wax potting, which does away with any air space, minimalizing microphonic feedback. The 490R is a humbucker with the tonal characteristics of an original PAF, with a slight increase in upper mid-range response. The 490T bridge pickup is calibrated to match the 490R, with pole pieces aligned a little further apart to accommodate the spacing of the strings at the bridge, which is different than the spacing of the strings at the neck.

Output: 7.4

Position: Neck

Magnet: Alnico II

Wiring: 4-Conductor Details:

Aggressively hot neck position pick up. Perfect with 500 T in bridge position”

(This message was last edited by Bubbalou at 10:21 PM, Dec 13th, 2017)

Bubbalou

USA

THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Dec 15th, 2017 06:14 AM   Edit   Profile  

Not sure how but they are aggressively hot even with Alnico II's and a coil resistive value of 7.4. Usually find this in a pickup with 11-13 ohms coil resistance

(This message was last edited by Bubbalou at 12:18 AM, Dec 16th, 2017)

Bubbalou

USA

THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Dec 16th, 2017 11:28 PM   Edit   Profile  

So I got industrious today, took everything but the tuners (and nut of course) and put copper shielding tape in the cavities, back of pickguard and control cavity cover plate to shield against low level hum ( was more noticeable on High gain input of my amp but now just silence. Put thin plastic on the backside of the control circuit board so nothing shorted to the shielding. I had DR Pure Blues Nickel .010-.046 strings on it but went back with DR Pure Blues Nickel .011-.050 strings. Wow, totally quiet and much better tone and string to string balance. In "tonal heaven" . The perfect strings and pickups

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