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LHW

Southwest Florida

Alone in my principles
Dec 11th, 2017 08:05 AM   Edit   Profile  

My 2017 LP Tribute has the 490R/490T pickup combo. I like it a little more than the 490/498 combo. The bridge pickup doesn't seem quite as bright.

Leftee
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Dec 11th, 2017 09:48 AM   Edit   Profile  

Re: Gibson pickups.

It’s all about the vintage output and unbalanced coils for me.

Actually, that’s my “home” for humbuckers in general.

reverendrob
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Dec 11th, 2017 10:06 AM   Edit   Profile  

I don't mind bright, and can dial it off with the tone knob if needed.

But I like a bit more bite than the average bear, it's either those or something along the lines of a Dirty Fingers in buckers for my happy place.

Leftee
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Dec 11th, 2017 10:12 AM   Edit   Profile  

Very true. You can dial it out but you can’t add it if it isn’t there already.

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Dec 11th, 2017 02:42 PM   Edit   Profile  

@Rev and Peegoo... Since you mention specific models, I've long been jonesing for a LP with P90s (gold-top would be awesome). I may be able to swing a purchase this year if a couple of things pan out, so I've been having a look around at the what's out there... which is how I got bogged down in the nomenaclature.

FWIW. I'm also looking at well-regarded copies, such as the Tokais. If anybody has any thoughts on those, I'm all ears.

(This message was last edited by langford at 07:41 PM, Dec 11th, 2017)

LHW

Southwest Florida

Alone in my principles
Dec 11th, 2017 05:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

It's interesting you mention "dirty fingers", reverendrob. My other LP Tribute, a 2012 70's model, has the dirty fingers mini-HBs. I love the "dirty" sound they put out.

(This message was last edited by LHW at 07:57 PM, Dec 11th, 2017)

reverendrob
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Dec 11th, 2017 07:36 PM   Edit   Profile  

I don't have the minis, my 339 has the full-size.

As far as the Tokais, honestly, I've played a couple that were highly regarded by their owners, but they didn't jump out and scream "Let's pay Gibson prices for them", which is what they cost. Canada may be different pricing-wise, but the Tokais are MASSIVELY overpriced here IMO.

The big thing I can tell you is that there's always a clearance on the previous year or two-ago Gibson models every so often and prices are stupid good. See the various threads that pop up here from time to time, etc.

LHW

Southwest Florida

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Dec 11th, 2017 09:10 PM   Edit   Profile  

I agree with you about clearance sales. I bought my 2012 Tribute new in 2015 for $599.

reverendrob
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Dec 12th, 2017 04:26 AM   Edit   Profile  

Yea, the later ones get stupid good sometimes.

I have a tendency to look for the first or second round of stuff, when there's still a bit of choice in what's there.

But at the 2-3 year point, it hits blowout fast and if there's something you want it just can't be beat.

LHW

Southwest Florida

Alone in my principles
Dec 12th, 2017 11:31 AM   Edit   Profile  

Plus, it's a lefty. I am sure they couldn't unload it. There was actually three available, each in a different color. I have never had that experience!

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Dec 12th, 2017 03:39 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've got a 50's Studio Tribute and a Korean Tokai Gold Top. Both have P90's. The Tokai's a good guitar but I haven't gigged with it for at least 5 years (probably since I got the 50's Tribute).

I gig with the 50's Tribute regularly.


reverendrob
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Dec 13th, 2017 04:26 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yea, keep in mind as well the Tokai's are grey market imports here, and cost as much a Gibson for some reason.

I've never even considered them because of that.

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Dec 13th, 2017 06:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

I never understood the high cost of the LP "knock-off" Tokai Love Rock. I think they rely on the popular and inaccurate assessment in the guitar community that Gibson QC isn't what it used to be.

Even if Gibson QC is poor these days, a buyer better be educated enough to tell the difference between a bad guitar and a good guitar if they're spending that kind of money.

I have a few Gibsons of recent production and they are all superb guitars because I cherry picked 'em. Why would I roll the dice?

It blows my mind that even the Burny and Orville LP knock-offs are equal in price to similar-model Gibsons on the used market.

It's artificially inflated, but *someone* is paying that inflated price to keep the market where it is for these copies. I've played a few of these, and just like with Gibsons--there are good ones and there are bad ones, and the majority of them are somewhere in between.

Play before you buy, or buy from a vendor that has a generous return policy, and you'll be happy because you'll end up with a good guitar.

Leftee
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Dec 13th, 2017 06:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

The Pacific Rim LP-o-copies are popular in the lefty world. There are more to chose from because that market (specifically in Japan) has a larger lefty segment. Upwards of 25% of the market. So there's more to chose from.

Honestly, Gibson has addressed this with us lefties in recent years. There been a good selection across the line for us. From Tribs to Historics.

langford
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Dec 13th, 2017 06:43 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think part of the Tokai mystique is that they aren't as common in North America... at least, not in Canada. They're around, but one doesn't stumble across them daily.

As for "play before you buy..." oh yes. That's a given. My desire isn't *only* about the cosmetics ;)

(This message was last edited by langford at 05:53 PM, Dec 14th, 2017)

Itchy
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Dec 13th, 2017 08:01 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have a MIJ Tokai LS80S goldtop that I bought new from a Japanese seller in 2003. It's my main gigging guitar and has been for years. I think I paid $850 including EMS shipping back then. This was years before the tributes came out. I like the Tributes just fine...To be honest I am perfectly ok with light, matte finishes on guitars, but for me a goldtop needs to be glossy, and the Tributes fall short in that one category.

reverendrob
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Dec 13th, 2017 09:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

The joke is I can't TRY before you buy.

That's why I buy new from somewhere with a return policy.

My three Gibsons (2014/2016x2) have all been 100% decent out of the box, the only things I had to adjust was the bridge on the 339 (high E was fretting out and needed truss adjust) and the pickup height on the second 2016.

Itchy
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Dec 13th, 2017 10:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

I understand wanting to buy new from a place with a return policy. I just can't get with the depreciation on new guitars, the way I know I go through them. I'm kinda fickle. Generally speaking when I see a type of guitar I want I'll gauge the used market, get a good idea of what they're selling for, and from there I'll try to find a deal that's good enough where I can break even if I don't like it and need to sell right away.

Buying a new MIJ Tokai and Edwards goldtop used to be a pretty good deal due to their relative scarcity in the States. They have a good reputation and demand is such that, while you could rarely make a profit, you could at least get your money back. I haven't checked out the market lately on more recent offerings though.

reverendrob
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Dec 14th, 2017 07:26 PM   Edit   Profile  

If I don't like it, I return it within the allotted time and it costs me a one-way shipping fee if that.

I have a fairly good idea of what I want, and I'm not a "upgrade this to fix it" guy - it sounds like I want out of the box, or back it goes.


RicOkc

Nicoma Park, OK.

"Let the music do the talking"
Dec 17th, 2017 10:27 AM   Edit   Profile  

They left out the "Traditional" Les Paul in the first article.

The second (5 Best) he was describing a Trad. Pro. with the uncovered pickups.

(This message was last edited by RicOkc at 12:35 PM, Dec 17th, 2017)

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