FDP Home Page / FDP Forum / FAQ's

The FDP is made possible by the following companies and individual members like you.
Please use the links below to show them we value their sponsorship.

Musician's Friend


Amplified Parts

Jensen Loudspeakers

Antique Electronics Supply

Advertise here


Guitar Center

Yellowjackets Tube Converters

WD Music

Apex Tube Matching

* God bless America and our men and women in uniform *

* Illegitimi non carborundum! *

If you benefit and learn from the FDP and enjoy our site, please help support us and become a Contributing Member or make a Donation today! The FDP counts on YOU to help keep the site going with an annual contribution. It's quick and easy with PayPal. Please do it TODAY!

Chris Greene, Host & Founder



Find musicians
in your area!
  Search the Forums  

FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / Studio? Tribute? Please help me understand Gibson

Previous 20 Messages  
Contributing Member


but no guitar
Dec 13th, 2017 06:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

I never understood the high cost of the LP "knock-off" Tokai Love Rock. I think they rely on the popular and inaccurate assessment in the guitar community that Gibson QC isn't what it used to be.

Even if Gibson QC is poor these days, a buyer better be educated enough to tell the difference between a bad guitar and a good guitar if they're spending that kind of money.

I have a few Gibsons of recent production and they are all superb guitars because I cherry picked 'em. Why would I roll the dice?

It blows my mind that even the Burny and Orville LP knock-offs are equal in price to similar-model Gibsons on the used market.

It's artificially inflated, but *someone* is paying that inflated price to keep the market where it is for these copies. I've played a few of these, and just like with Gibsons--there are good ones and there are bad ones, and the majority of them are somewhere in between.

Play before you buy, or buy from a vendor that has a generous return policy, and you'll be happy because you'll end up with a good guitar.

Contributing Member


Life makes a man tired.
Dec 13th, 2017 06:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

The Pacific Rim LP-o-copies are popular in the lefty world. There are more to chose from because that market (specifically in Japan) has a larger lefty segment. Upwards of 25% of the market. So there's more to chose from.

Honestly, Gibson has addressed this with us lefties in recent years. There been a good selection across the line for us. From Tribs to Historics.

Contributing Member

Toronto, Canada

Dec 13th, 2017 06:43 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think part of the Tokai mystique is that they aren't as common in North America... at least, not in Canada. They're around, but one doesn't stumble across them daily.

As for "play before you buy..." oh yes. That's a given. My desire isn't *only* about the cosmetics ;)

(This message was last edited by langford at 05:53 PM, Dec 14th, 2017)

Contributing Member

Orlando, FL

My brain hurts!
Dec 13th, 2017 08:01 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have a MIJ Tokai LS80S goldtop that I bought new from a Japanese seller in 2003. It's my main gigging guitar and has been for years. I think I paid $850 including EMS shipping back then. This was years before the tributes came out. I like the Tributes just fine...To be honest I am perfectly ok with light, matte finishes on guitars, but for me a goldtop needs to be glossy, and the Tributes fall short in that one category.

FDP Data Goon

We all want

our time in hell
Dec 13th, 2017 09:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

The joke is I can't TRY before you buy.

That's why I buy new from somewhere with a return policy.

My three Gibsons (2014/2016x2) have all been 100% decent out of the box, the only things I had to adjust was the bridge on the 339 (high E was fretting out and needed truss adjust) and the pickup height on the second 2016.

Contributing Member

Orlando, FL

My brain hurts!
Dec 13th, 2017 10:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

I understand wanting to buy new from a place with a return policy. I just can't get with the depreciation on new guitars, the way I know I go through them. I'm kinda fickle. Generally speaking when I see a type of guitar I want I'll gauge the used market, get a good idea of what they're selling for, and from there I'll try to find a deal that's good enough where I can break even if I don't like it and need to sell right away.

Buying a new MIJ Tokai and Edwards goldtop used to be a pretty good deal due to their relative scarcity in the States. They have a good reputation and demand is such that, while you could rarely make a profit, you could at least get your money back. I haven't checked out the market lately on more recent offerings though.

FDP Data Goon

We all want

our time in hell
Dec 14th, 2017 07:26 PM   Edit   Profile  

If I don't like it, I return it within the allotted time and it costs me a one-way shipping fee if that.

I have a fairly good idea of what I want, and I'm not a "upgrade this to fix it" guy - it sounds like I want out of the box, or back it goes.


Nicoma Park, OK.

"Let the music do the talking"
Dec 17th, 2017 10:27 AM   Edit   Profile  

They left out the "Traditional" Les Paul in the first article.

The second (5 Best) he was describing a Trad. Pro. with the uncovered pickups.

(This message was last edited by RicOkc at 12:35 PM, Dec 17th, 2017)

Previous 20 Messages  

FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / Studio? Tribute? Please help me understand Gibson

Reply to this Topic
Display my email address             Lost your password?
Your Message:
Link Address (URL):
Link Title:

Moderators: Chris Greene  Iron Man  reverendrob  

FDP, LLC Privacy Policy: Your real name, username, and email
are held in confidence and not disclosed to any third parties, sold, or
used for anything other than FDP Forum registration unless you specifically authorize disclosure.

Internet Application Development

Copyright © 1999-2019 Fender Discussion Page, LLC   All Rights Reserved