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NoSoapRadio
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Dec 16th, 2017 12:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My old CC series Foredom finally bit the noodle. I took it apart but there is just too much that needs replacement -- I'm going to let it go out with dignity.

I inherited this from my wife's uncle who was an old school patter maker -- I've had for at least ten years and God knows how long he had it. It could easily be forty years old.

Anyway, I need a replacement. Does anyone have experience with the modern motors? Foredom has always been a first class company so I assume their new stuff is not junk. At any rate, I'm sure it is miles ahead of a Dremel.

So anyone got one -- what motor and what are the pros and cons between the three variations? I'm inclined to just go with the most powerful and be done with it.

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Dec 16th, 2017 01:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Get the big one. I have one that's a fairly recent (2012) production and it is top quality.

Once you use a Foredom, any other flex-shaft tool feels like an under-powered toy.

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Dec 16th, 2017 04:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Foredom makes Dremel look and operate like a toy, not a tool. I do own Dremels and will be buying a Foredom this coming year.

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Dec 16th, 2017 04:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Great to hear those comments. I'm planning on buying the TX soon after the new year starts.

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Dec 17th, 2017 04:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah, if you actually put some hours on it, a Foredom pays for itself. Dremels (and their other brand counter parts) don't last as long. I've had issues with fret slot cutting with the Black & Decker line... the bit ends up with a warble to it, and cuts the slot waaay too wide. I've been through two in a year and a half, and am now using a Foredom.

For the weekend warrior that will use it once every two years for some around the house thing, then Dremel is great.

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Dec 17th, 2017 05:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There definitely is a place for a Dremel.

I have a little bitty one my hunny got for me about six years ago. It's rechargeable and is perfect for drilling small holes and cutting screws and other metal with a diamond wheel. It is still running like new, even after plenty of use.

Which reminds me: if you're using ceramic or carbide cutoff wheels (the kind that you buy stacked in a little plastic container), stop right now and get yourself one or two diamond wheels. They do not wear out, and they do not wear down or break. You can get the little 1" version on fleabay for cheap. They fit right on your current wheel arbor. And they work great.

This little Dremel (1100-01 Stylus...out of production?)

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Dec 18th, 2017 10:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Speaking of Foredoms...I am planning on getting one early next year. I'll have to modify my workbench to install a hanger. I would *assume* that if you are right-handed, you want the hanger on your right side, can those of you with experience working with this tool confirm that?

PS +1 on the Dremel diamond wheels. I had to cut dozens of 1" square mosaic tiles last year and the diamond wheel in a Dremel did the job effortlessly. And it was cutting as well at the end of the task as at the beginning.

(This message was last edited by Te 52 at 12:29 PM, Dec 18th, 2017)

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Dec 18th, 2017 11:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Howdy Te52

If you have space, make a hanger for the Foredom motor so it hinges like a cabinet door and can be swung out of the way when not in use. Think of the hanger as sort of like a large inverted L bracket with two hinges on the vertical portion. Having it swing not only allows you to move it out of the way; it also allows you to position the motor in the best location for ease of use.

I've found that the ideal place for the hanger and motor depends on the handpiece you use and how you hold it.

For instance, if you use a large-diameter handpiece and large cutters, say, for wood carving, you'll probably hold the handpiece in a hand-shake grip (like a flashlight). In this case, having the motor hanging by the shoulder of your dominant hand prevents the flex shaft from torquing the handpiece out of position, because the flex shaft approaches the handpiece from under your arm.

If you use a small handpiece for detailed stuff like jewelry work, you might use a pen-grip hand hold. If so, having the motor at shoulder height, but in front of your dominant-arm shoulder, makes it easier to hold and use.

You can also buy a purpose-made swiveling hanger like this, and mount it to your bench:

This is me after a dozen donuts and a 12-pak of Natty Boh.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 01:39 PM, Dec 18th, 2017)

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Dec 18th, 2017 11:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Great insights, thank you!

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Dec 19th, 2017 05:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, thanks Peegoo. I'll be doing wood carving as in sculpture. Not large. The one I'm working on, and am not ready for the Foredom yet will stand about 18" tall.

As I mentioned above, I'll be getting the TX and handpiece, etc. after the first of the year. I'm ready NOW!

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Dec 26th, 2017 11:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just pulled the trigger on the larger motor, the TX (through the FDP Amazon link), and the 44T hand piece. I've already got the No 30 handpiece but it won't take tools with 1/4 shanks. I have quite a few 1/4 tools that I use with my electric die grinder -- but they will be much easier to use with the Foredom.

Thanks for the direction all.

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Dec 27th, 2017 08:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

NSR, I'm going for the same thing...next week.

Give us a report after you get it, please.

You know, initial impressions and what not.

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Dec 28th, 2017 02:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ryder,

The TX and hand piece was delivered today. I've spent a couple hours monkeying with it and I need not have had any concerns regarding the quality of the motor.
It is a tank. Power wise, the TX makes my old CC seem like a Dremel.

The 44T hand piece works great with my 1/4 carbide burrs and the quality of the tool is at least as good as my old No 30. Overall, I could not be more pleased with the purchase.

However, I am not wild about the footswitch speed control. It works fine, but it's just not what I am used to. My shop floor is mayhem and I can only imagine what bad things will happen to the switch if it is left there. I'll probably end up buying the benchtop EMX speed control.


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Dec 29th, 2017 10:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks NoSoap, I have some 1/4 in burrs also...and was hoping they would work with this model.

My shop floor is ok, but I don't keep it out of the way, I'll be stepping on it I'm sure.

Tell me more when you get to use it more.

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Dec 29th, 2017 11:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

NSR, if you're worried about dust/metal particles getting into the foot controller--no need for concern.

The new style speed control is not like the older open wire-wound rheostats.

It's fully enclosed (sealed) and pretty rugged...see link.

If the speed controller slides around under your foot, make a little pedalboard for it from 3/4" ply, about 8" x 14". Screw the pedal to one end and stick some rubber feet on each underside corner. This way your heel is on the board and your toe doesn't make the pedal scoot away.

You could use thinner board, but the added weight of the 3/4" stock is what makes it a better choice.

Here's a pic

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Dec 29th, 2017 12:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

And if anyone thinks a Foredom is expensive, cost comparison to a Jura makes the Foredom practically a disposable item.

This is as good as it gets for jewelry work.

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Dec 29th, 2017 02:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Peegoo. I'm not really all that concerned with the durability of the switch.

I'm an old dog and the footswitch is a new trick. My old machine had a simple on/off switch and that was all I ever needed. I suppose the variable speed capability will come in handy now that I have it but it's not something I'll use every day.

I keep the Foredom on a hook screwed into an overhead floor joist and I usually just loop the flex shaft and handpiece over the same hook to keep it out of the way. This morning, I inadvertently stepped on the footswitch and the handpiece jumped off the hook and came at me like a rattlesnake. Luckily, I had a cannoli in my hand so I didn't try to catch it.

I need to work on being less of an oaf while I'm near electricalified tools.

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Dec 29th, 2017 03:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

NoSoap, that’s what I’m afraid of...inadvertently stepping on it.

Man, glad you couldn’t grab for it! Scarey, it’s something I would do.

lonesomebill

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Dec 31st, 2017 09:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Are "powered erasers" worth anything? I came across one when cleaning and don't know whether to toss it or not. Has a a hanger and long flexible shaft, but no speed variable. The mfg. seems to be RUSH TE201 model. Looks like they were used for erasing drawings as well as wire stripping.

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Dec 31st, 2017 10:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, the older ones are collectibles these days.

Draftsmen, architects, and letterers used these extensively in the 40s/50s/60s. I have one somewhere in a box.

You can still get the eraser refills.

As a power tool tho, they're not really usable because the motors don't generate much torque under load. You could, however adapt it for engraving with tiny diamond burrs. They don't require much torque at all.

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