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HeavyDuty
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Jan 5th, 2018 12:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

For several years I’ve wanted to learn either trumpet or bugle well enough to be able to sound Taps at veteran’s funerals. There’s a huge need for this, many funerals for vets are being provided using either a boombox or an electronic device in a plastic bugle-shaped shell due to a lack of buglers. I’ve attended a few ceremonies using these, and I’m personally offended by them.

How challenging would this be to learn, and would I do better with a bugle or trumpet?

Edit - schpelling

(This message was last edited by HeavyDuty at 03:42 PM, Jan 5th, 2018)

woodall
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Jan 5th, 2018 12:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Get cheap trumpet, easier with valves. Otherwise you'll have to have the ear for the notes and bend your lips for the right tone. Not that hard either way. But with trumpet you can learn other stuff as well.

Played for many years but gave it up. Not many bands need a trumpet. Plus it is a little loud on the neighbors, can't use the head phones.

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Jan 5th, 2018 12:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You're going to need to practice a lot to get an embouchure worth a dang. That would be some boring time on a bugle.

Point - trumpet.

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Jan 5th, 2018 12:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My wife's sister's husband was buried last May. He had been in the Marines, and there was a bugler playing taps. He missed some notes.

It reminded me of when my cousin died of Viet Name war injuries in 1970. The bugler at that burial also missed a note.

But it was better than hearing Taps on a boombox.

If you get a trumpet, practice a lot and get your lip muscle built up.

There used to be an FDPer whose handle was Trumpet77, who stated that steroids will not help a trumpeter's lip muscles.

Leftee
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Jan 5th, 2018 01:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I played trumpet for many years. I also had a bugle for Boys Scouts back in the ‘70s. I much preferred my trumpet for that task.

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Jan 5th, 2018 01:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Even if it's a valved trumpet, the notes in taps are all harmonics so you won't use the valves except to choose your key.

I played for years as a kid and have considered taking it up again but it takes a LOT of time to have a good, steady tone with a solid embouchure.

I did buy a pTrumpet, though, which is fun and practically zero-maintenance. It's a plastic horn that's durable, easy to clean, doesn't require oil, and costs about $200 with a bag and pair of mouthpieces. The sound: better than you'd expect, but not as good as you'd hope.

Leftee
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Jan 5th, 2018 01:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The pick your key part.

Point - trumpet

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Jan 5th, 2018 01:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

HeavyDuty, I could not agree more. My father was a WWII vet. A hero to his country and to his family. At his funeral, two paunchy CPO's and an Ensign that looked to be about 13 rendered the honors. When the time came for taps, out came the boom box. I wanted to scream WRONG! Just as quickly, I imagined my dad watching over us and laughing at it and I started to laugh myself. We were grateful for the Navy presence, as it is a lot more than some vets get.

I wish you luck with learning taps on the horn of your choice.

Thanks for caring.


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Jan 5th, 2018 01:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As BrentD alluded to, the open notes on the trumpet/bugle are all harmonics.

If you know the trumpet and its open notes, you know that there is an open Bb above the treble clef staff, but that it is naturally out of tune flat, and that it should be played with the first valve.

I read somewhere that tube amps emphasize the odd-harmonics and the solid-state amps emphasize the even ones.

So, if you play a C in the bass clef staff, the tube amp will emphasize the middle C, the C in the treble clef staff, the G above that, the high C above that, and higher notes.

The solid-state amp emphasize the G in the staff, the E in the staff, and that out-of-tune Bb.

If what I read is true, then that is why tube amps are better than solid-state amps.

HeavyDuty
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Jan 5th, 2018 01:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just remembered one of my closest friend’s son is a trumpet player and teacher. I just put a line out to him.

Points taken on the trumpet probably being better for this purpose. I don’t want to channel Chuck Mangione, I just want to be able to sound Taps accurately and with proper feel to help these families. Thanks for all of the comments!

Leftee
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Jan 5th, 2018 01:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My thought is, unless you practice a lot, you won't do it justice. And you don't want to practice that much on a bugle.

Leftee
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Jan 5th, 2018 02:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

... and you will have to practice frequently. You can't haul it out of the closet in time for a ceremony. You probably couldn't take a couple weeks off without sliding backwards. At least to not sound like some that have been described here.

HeavyDuty
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Jan 5th, 2018 02:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That’s what I’m thinking - I’d need to commit at least an hour per week to practice. I won’t do this if I’m a hack, it’s a matter of respect.

HeavyDuty
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Jan 5th, 2018 02:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just looked up the pTrumpet - that may be the solution for learning. I think renting a trumpet for a few months to learn would cost that much.

BrentD
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5 DIFFERENT CITIES 15 DIFFERENT MORONS.
Jan 5th, 2018 02:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

HD, I started by renting a horn and then turned it in. More money up front, but in a couple of months you break even.

I think the hour a week wouldn't necessarily have to develop your chops, but to build solid tone. You could do that playing in lower registers.

Also, compared to the sweet spot on my amps, the trumpet is quiet!

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Jan 5th, 2018 04:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I went through a phase where I was obsessed with everything Miles, and got a trumpet thinking I'd learn how to play decently.

It kicked my butt and I gave up. I still have the trumpet, and even played a small line on an album some friends recorded, but otherwise I'm terrible.

Good luck with whatever you decide!

FWIW, I got to the point with not much practice that I could play Taps.

Like mentioned, you don't need the valves to play it. I figured it out on my own just playing around.

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Jan 5th, 2018 04:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As an aside to my above post, I went to my Grandfather's funeral over the summer, and being a Navy vet and ex POW he had a real bugler and even a bagpipe player there.

I never realized they sometimes use boomboxes. I feel grateful that the Navy sent a real horn player, plus two other Navy men (kids, really) to fold and present the flag.

BrentD
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5 DIFFERENT CITIES 15 DIFFERENT MORONS.
Jan 5th, 2018 04:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just FYI.

Bugles Across America

HenryJ
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Jan 5th, 2018 04:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I don't think an hour a week will get it. That's like exercising an hour per week.

Maybe do 15 minutes a day.

Leftee
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Jan 5th, 2018 04:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

An hour a week isn’t going to maintain your embouchure.

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