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FDP Forum / The Chop Shop / Help me pick out the notes in this orchestration (Sam Cooke)

littleuch
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Mar 26th, 2018 02:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Specifically the 3rd to last phrase/chord of the intro to "A Change Is Gonna Come". Comes in just after the 8 second mark, timpani on top. I'm dumbstruck by the top note and can't make sense of what is underneath. I hear horns, strings and cellos I believe, trying to pick apart what's playing what. I know it resolves on the V7, I have a sense of the transition phrasing right before, but dang if I can place the one right before (where the strings top out on D/Bb.

At the 8 second mark

Achase4u

U.S. - Virginia

Mar 26th, 2018 02:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Love the classic top two notes repeating as chords change underneath.

Sounds like to me it's an Gb7 that resolves a half step down to your F7 in the orchestra, with the D in the melody making it a sharp 5 chord.

Try playing a drop voicing at the 2nd position of a Gb7 that goes to the F7.

Is that the section?

It's sort of that age old bluesy thing re done by an arranger for that altered lush orchestral sound.

To me it seems like what is behind it is a Bb7 with the 7th ab in the bass, Gb7 to F7 to set up the 1 chord.

On a guitar it's a regular thing to do in blues, right?

(This message was last edited by Achase4u at 05:06 PM, Mar 26th, 2018)

Achase4u

U.S. - Virginia

Mar 26th, 2018 03:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Feel's like the Gb7 is the tritone sub for a c9 there to me.

(This message was last edited by Achase4u at 05:03 PM, Mar 26th, 2018)

littleuch
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Mar 26th, 2018 04:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

C9-Gb7-F7 makes sense to my ear. I was trying to replicate the intro using mellotron samples of strings, horns, cellos. All was going fairly well until I got to that spot. (I nailed the French horn though, lol).

Achase4u

U.S. - Virginia

Mar 26th, 2018 05:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yea I can hear the E to Eb change on a horn, and the Bb to A, and the low bass notes on a few instruments, but I think that's all they did there because it would become too thick.

Sometimes your ear will fill in the blank tones one way or another.

A similar thing happened when I was learning "exodus" from this version in the link. That walkdown implies a lot but is mostly skeletal.

Exodus walkdown

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