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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: 1985 - Current / Fender Champ X2 "head" or "combo"????

Tony Wright
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Mar 30th, 2018 07:31 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have a Blues Jr for friends who come over to jam (and available to same friends as a loaner)...but I have been considering a Champ X2 with all the voices it offers.

The question is "combo" or "head and speaker cabinet"????

This won't be a "permanent living room amp". It will get gig time. I realize many comments suggest the stock 10 is adequate to gig...but that is usually followed by comments about "small room" or "miced thru the PA".

I am thinking your basic "flag, feather, hoof, horn" venue or similar sized club that holds around 200 people...with a deaf drummer.

I will sit back and read the replies...

(...and yes, I do have other LARGER amps, but I am thinking about the geezers I play with.)

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Mar 30th, 2018 07:41 AM   Edit   Profile  

Some random thoughts...

If this is going to be an amp that (1) gets used in various situations and venues, and (2) you currently have a few guitar speaker cabs, then get the head. It makes for a super versatile rig.

If this will simply be a grab and go amp that you can use stand-alone or mic up through the FOH, then get the combo. Remember that the combo also can be rigged as a head where you bypass the internal 10" speaker and plug into a larger cab.

Bottom line, neither one is better than the other. It depends on how you'll be using it.

Tony Wright
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Mar 30th, 2018 09:33 PM   Edit   Profile  

Good point about the combo driving a different cabinet.

I guess my question includes the differences in the 10 inch combo speaker and the 12 inch in the Champ 112 cabinet.

I have a late 90s GE112 (the single 12 to match the old RockPro head). And I could use that cabinet with either the combo or head...hmmm. Less investment at a time where cash is becoming a little tight.

...certainly an option to keep in mind.

Gaukdawg

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Mar 31st, 2018 09:51 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have an SCXD that is currently my practice at home amp. I have gigged with it and have considered going back to it. Every guitar I have sounds great through it with very little tweaking. I have thought about putting it in a cabinet to try with a 12" speaker just because I can't stop messing with stuff. With all that being said the combo is what I would go with because it is loud enough for small gigs and you know how to mic it if necessary. And it is small and light and a great grab and go amp. I have used mine at our bands largest gig playing for 75,000 people. And it takes pedals very well too.

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Mar 31st, 2018 08:45 PM   Edit   Profile  

Sorry Tony, I have no input regarding the amp, but you really have me stumped at "flag, feather, hoof, horn venue".

What in hell does that mean????


Tony Wright
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Apr 3rd, 2018 06:25 AM   Edit   Profile  

"flag" = Veterans organizations such as American Legion or Veterans of Foreign Wars, social groups for Vets that typically have adult beverages and a dance floor for the members who bring their ladies.

"feather" is the Order of Eagles, a social group.

"hoof" is the Loyal Order of Moose"

"horn" is the Elks Lodge...

I did not get all the correct names, but enough that you get it...adult social groups, typically members and their invited guest.



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Apr 3rd, 2018 07:14 AM   Edit   Profile  

I just learned something!

Mick Reid
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Apr 4th, 2018 02:39 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks Tony!
Very clever, and I learnt something too.

I was hoping it wasn't some sort of fetish thing!

;^p

Tony Wright
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Apr 4th, 2018 11:03 AM   Edit   Profile  

Well, Mick, since you bring it up....uhhhh, never mind.

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Apr 4th, 2018 12:39 PM   Edit   Profile  

This thread got weird quickly.

Get the book!

SFDretired

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May 6th, 2018 09:08 AM   Edit   Profile  

I suggest the Head with the matching cabinet. I have this setup and I bought a BlackHeart little Giant on CL for cheap. I also found the matching cabinet for it on ebay w/o a speaker and when it arrives I'll put a swamp thang in it. If I ever need to I can take the extra cab with me.

I have read everything I could find on the X2 and have a few tips. #1 - the mids are only adjustable from within FUSE, turn all of the voices down at lease 2 positions and #2 - set the cabinet emulation to OFF. To me this helped the tone alot but you may hear something different.
There is alot of argument online that many say the tubes don't make a difference, I say they do. The stock tubes are chinese and I found some NOS GE matched pair of 6V6's and I use a 5751 in place of the 12AX7. To me and others the overdriven tone sounds better. Also my bias was 32mv and I set it to Fenders suggestion of 40mv. I'm just now beginning to use FUSE and set the different voices, it's mainly trial and error.


YMMV

Tony

Tony Wright
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May 6th, 2018 01:57 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks for the input.

I notice that you recently registered on the FDP. Welcome. I am SPD "retired", kind of between OKC and Tulsa.

Tony

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May 6th, 2018 02:40 PM   Edit   Profile  

Moose, Elks, Eagles...


I call them "Critter Clubs".




SFDretired

SE of Indy

May 7th, 2018 11:43 AM   Edit   Profile  

Tony - Thanks for the welcome.
I'm retired FireFighter from Speedway Fire Dept. (Think Indy 500, Brickyard 400), 27 years. I retired in 2000. We are about the same age, but from your profile you have been play much longer than me. I have started/stopped many times since I hit 45. I actually started with a banjo...

Tony

(This message was last edited by SFDretired at 01:47 PM, May 7th, 2018)

Tony Wright
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May 8th, 2018 10:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

Tony: I started playing around late 64 or early 65.

I quit playing back in 72 just before I got my first job in law enforcement, jailer/dispatcher/deputy for Osage County OK...that is where Bre Drummond lives and films her TV shows (Pioneer Woman on Food Network.)

I was "band-less" when I went to work at the SO. I got a call to go see the Sheriff himself on my second day. He said, "Boy (spit...he chewed Beechnut, a whole bag at once), I hear you play in one of them rock and roll bands. (SPIT again.)

I answered by saying I had been in a band, but I wasn't in one at the time and figured I needed to learn the new job before I thought about playing any more.

He replied (yep, another spit), "Good idea boy. You know, you cain't party with 'em tonight and arrest them tomorrow night." (Spit and wipe.)

I said "Good advice, thank you." and I never touched a guitar except as evidence until 24 years later when my 18 year old son decided to learn to play.

I got back into music when I started to buy gear to support my son learning to play. He still has his first amp (Fender Stage 112SE) here at the house. (Had to work gear into the conversation, this is a gear forum.)

I appreciate your input on the X2 and the use of FUSE. Going to OKC GC this week to see and hear an X2 in person...I hope. It will be a quick trip since the "OFFICIAL" reason for the trip is to buy my wife a Mother's Day gift. (Isn't that what we are supposed to say when shopping for gear?)




SFDretired

SE of Indy

May 9th, 2018 02:50 PM   Edit   Profile  

There is a difference in sound between the X2 combo vs Head. The head has a matching cabinet (I have it) with a 12" speaker. The speaker will soon be replaced with a Eminence Texas Heat, stock is a celestion seventy/80. I think it's too bright. FUSE is fun to play with but don't get to involved with it trying to tweak the 16 voices. Pick 2,3 maybe 4 voices you will use and set the gain on the from panel and play, not tweak the settings. I have a BlackHeart head w/cabinet Little Giant. I use a blues driver and Hall of Fame reverb. Nothing to tweak, just practice.
Enjoy the ride.


Bigjoedo

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May 10th, 2018 04:14 PM   Edit   Profile  

A combo is good, however, the 10" speaker is a little weak. I found a cab made for the Super Champ X2 that had a baffle cut out big enough for a 12" speaker. What and AMAZING upgrade!! So head or Combo a 12 " speaker gives an amazing sound.

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May 11th, 2018 09:43 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have an x2 and have replaced the speaker with an Eminence Rajun Cajun. Sounds great and is much louder than the stock speaker. The line out to another amp sounds good too.

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