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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Stratocasters / Something is off with this strat.

Frus500

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Apr 4th, 2018 10:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi

I was watching this item guitar on ebay. It's since sold. The seller listed it as a 1985 Standard Fender Japan Stratocaster. Only the guitar looks like a 60's reissue. It does not say "made in Japan" anywhere on the neck heel, and the serial number is on the neck plate, and starts with an "A."

Now from my research I know that in 85 Fender Japan put serial numbers on the neck plate. It matches up. However, the neck seems off to me. No "Made In Japan" and does the Fender logo seem off? Or is it just the lightening of the pic?

Guitar

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Apr 4th, 2018 04:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It looks good to me. It's not a 'Standard' Japanese model which were inferior to the 50's and 60's re-issues (which weren't named 're-issues'.) In as much as you can tell from the photos, it looks like the body has a thin finish typical of that time which has dinged 'well' rather than as the later thicker finishes do. And it looks like the headstock is correct, slightly slimmer than AVRI's, and the headstock-meets-neck region on the rear is nice and sleek. Fender-Fender stamped saddles as original, plastics could be original or replacements, '82-84 JV's tended to stay white, and later knobs and pup covers tend to go very cream. But the guard has the correct 11 hole placement. The Klusons are typical no-line as on the earlier JV's. And yes, no 'made in' on the neck on these early ones. But some did have neck heel end pencil dates.

Neck pocket stamps would help, and a view under the guard. But basically it looks exactly like I would expect an '85 E (Squier) or A (Squier and Fender) series to look. These were great guitars, identical in every way to the now much sought after and over-priced Squier JV's, but with Japanese pickups. (And, the last one I saw of these '85's had a very heavy alder body, heavier than anything else I've seen on a MIJ. Edit: that one was '87.)

500 bucks is about right, if you need to change pickups and cast trem block out.

One thing to watch out for with these; I don't think that it happened on the strats, but on the tele's, the A serial was used from '85 well into the 2000's, so is not a good indication of age. You will see immaculate A series tele's on ebay occasionally advertised as '85 without any other proof, at silly asking prices.

(This message was last edited by vomer at 06:38 PM, Apr 6th, 2018)

Frus500

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Apr 4th, 2018 06:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for the info. I think the seller called it a standard but in reality it is a 62 reissue.

The only thing that gave me pause was the lack of "Made In Japan" on the neck heel. I have seen some where the serial number is on the neck plate, but I don't see a "Made In Japan" on the neck heel. But now I see that the early ones didn't have it. Interesting. Unless the photos are so bad you can't really see it.

(This message was last edited by Frus500 at 08:48 PM, Apr 4th, 2018)

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Apr 5th, 2018 02:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, and getting a look at the neck pocket stamps would tell more. The '87 I had in last has, confusingly, STD-57 stamped both in the neck pocket and on the underside of the neck where it sits in the pocket, but it is a '57 reissue, not a Standard.

Frus500

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Apr 5th, 2018 09:04 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So to be clear, there was a time frame where the Japanese Reissues from the mid 80's did not have "Made In Japan" stamped anywhere on the guitar?

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Apr 5th, 2018 10:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's a really bad picture of the logo. Probably on purpose! Without neck stamps, no way to tell proper lineage.

Here's a '62 reissue with better pics. Logo firmly on the back of the neck.

Ebay MIJ Reissue.

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Apr 5th, 2018 02:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"So to be clear, there was a time frame where the Japanese Reissues from the mid 80's did not have "Made In Japan" stamped anywhere on the guitar?"

Looking around on the web some folk say that the Made in Japan stamp on the base of the neck with the serial number started in '85 with A+6 digits. But I'm pretty sure that's not the whole truth as you do see these strats and teles (but see my post above about teles) with E and A neckplate serials; and some later ones (latest I'm aware of is my mate's '87), with 'Fender' stamped on the top of the neckplate, and no serial number, or Made in Japan', anywhere else on the guitar.

There's different information out there about manufacturers at this mid to late 80's stage but it seems possible there were three companies making these for Fender so differences might be expected.




(This message was last edited by vomer at 05:24 PM, Apr 5th, 2018)

Frus500

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Apr 6th, 2018 05:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

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Apr 10th, 2018 11:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I thought I'd edited my post re. the E and A serials but it didn't appear. The E serials are on Squiers from '85 and the A's are on Squiers and Fenders. All these guitars can have the same 'reissue' spec. The E was also used on MIJ guitars with different 'standard' specs, and on later Korean Squiers with different 'standard' specs.

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Apr 15th, 2018 07:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

To further muddy the waters, my MIJ '72 reissue I bought brand new in 1987 bears an "E" serial number, the MADE IN JAPAN on the neck heel and has a 3 bolt "F" neckplate also bearing MADE IN JAPAN

Fender really had a hard time making up their minds for many years.

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Apr 16th, 2018 02:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ah, so there were MIJ Fenders with 'E', not just Squiers. And nice guitars, those MIJ '72's.

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