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BrentD
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5 DIFFERENT CITIES 15 DIFFERENT MORONS.
Apr 12th, 2018 12:27 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'm kicking around the idea of a PRRI and I like the blonde ones. I've seen them available with both a P10Q and a 10" Celestion Gold.

Any opinions on these two? I liked the P10Qs in my CVR when I had it and I understand a Gold isn't exactly classic Fender territory, but I see a lot of compliments on it.

BrentD
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5 DIFFERENT CITIES 15 DIFFERENT MORONS.
Apr 12th, 2018 12:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

OK, maybe the CVR had P10Rs. I'm sure that changes things with respect to my experience, but the question still stands!

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Apr 12th, 2018 02:09 PM   Edit   Profile  

Howdy Brent

I've had two amps that had 10" Celestion Golds: an SCXD (sold it) and a Peavey Classic 20 (still have it).

I tried other speakers in both amps, including Eminence, Weber, and Jensen, and the Golds sounded best to me. They seemed to have more midrange presence and they cut through a band's overall sound better.

I have no science to back this up; tone is 100% subjective, and to my ear the Golds sounded best in these two small open-back combo amps. Seems like an easy answer, right?

Not so fast, Batman!

I have a modded PRRI that has a SS rectifier, beefier OT, and some other tweaks. The Gold didn't sound best in it; the Weber 10F150 did.

The PRRI is an open-back combo like the SCXD and the Classic 20. The difference is the size and shape of the cabinet, and I think that's why the Gold sounded a bit shrill in it. The Weber had more punch and cut than the gold. It's also a different speaker--bigger magnet and different cone design.

Remember this is all a totally personal thing. There's no right or wrong; what sounds good to you is all that matters.

Te 52

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Apr 12th, 2018 03:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've posted on this topic before, but I'll do it again.

When I got my PRRI, I just assumed that an aftermarket speaker (preferably alnico, which I strongly prefer) would be better than the stock ceramic Jensen C10R. At the time, I had a bunch of speakers kicking around, so I did multiple tests. I tried a Celestion Gold, a 2x10 cab with two P10Rs, and other 10s.I also vetted a selection of 12" speakers, including a Celestion Blue and a Jensen P12Q, in external cabs.

To my surprise, nothing sounded better to my ears than the stock C10R. As I wrote at the time, "Fender really hit a home run with that combination."

jm2ยข ymmv etc.

(This message was last edited by Te 52 at 12:15 PM, Apr 16th, 2018)

BrentD
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5 DIFFERENT CITIES 15 DIFFERENT MORONS.
Apr 12th, 2018 03:58 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks for the info, guys! Among my others are a Classic 20 but in stock form and an AC15 with a Blue. Are the Golds similar to Blues?

Between the two I think the Jensen is probably closer to the "Fender sound" - is that your experience?

Big Joe

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Apr 12th, 2018 07:45 PM   Edit   Profile  

While I find the Jensen C10R works well in a PRRI, I found the Celestion Gold , once broken in, provided a bit more mids, tighter bottom, and sweeter highs... an all round fuller tone. But again, as others have stated, this is all subjective and personal preference. A great $50 investment , I also made was to upgrade the O/T to a T020, no matter what speaker you choose.

(This message was last edited by Big Joe at 06:18 PM, Apr 13th, 2018)

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Buena Buena
Apr 12th, 2018 09:33 PM   Edit   Profile  

We're not much help, are we?

:o)

BrentD
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5 DIFFERENT CITIES 15 DIFFERENT MORONS.
Apr 13th, 2018 07:47 AM   Edit   Profile  

Ha!

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Apr 13th, 2018 08:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

Heck, I use a Jensen C10R in all my amps with a 10" speaker, but that's just me.
I've tried a lot of speakers over the years. Jensen speakers give me the tone I'm after.

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Apr 13th, 2018 12:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've never had a PR or PRRI. I do have a PRII (Princeton II which is more akin to a Deluxe). Years ago I put in a Celestion Blue (12") and feared the "you will lose all Fender Mojo". Nuh-uh. Didn't blow up the speaker either (15 watt in a 22 watt amp). I tried a Weber 12F150 and was distraught at how much headroom I lost. I know the Rivera era amps are not representative of the Blackface amp sound, but this one does it, even with the Celestion.

Finding all examples locally to try out might be hard, maybe give Motor City a shout to see if they have one with a Gold. Nothing like trying them out for yourself. Speaking of Motor City, I first tried a PRRI there and thought it was a flabby fartin' dud. A while later tried another and thought it was glorious.

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Apr 13th, 2018 08:37 PM   Edit   Profile  

You can try 10 amps of the same make/model, and one will sound the best, and one will sound the worst. All the others will be somewhere in the middle.

BrentD
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Apr 13th, 2018 09:46 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks for the recommendation littleuch. I'm not going to Motor City! They've got a Swart AST and a Tweed Deluxe that are both bad influences on me.

There's a place here in town that has the PRRI with the Gold. They always treat me well as a customer so that's why I asked. All the others are regular PRRIs or the 68s.

BrentD
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5 DIFFERENT CITIES 15 DIFFERENT MORONS.
Apr 14th, 2018 11:56 AM   Edit   Profile  

Played the one with the Gold. Sounded fantastic, looked great, and 5dB more efficient speaker. Pricey, though!

Going to play my DRRI this afternoon to maybe treat the GAS.

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Apr 14th, 2018 04:18 PM   Edit   Profile  

Hi BrentD!

"Going to play my DRRI this afternoon..."

Ah, that should do it.
If not - you might want to invest in a less-efficient speaker for the DRRI ;-)

cheers - C.


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Apr 16th, 2018 10:01 AM   Edit   Profile  

I bought the PRRI model with the P10Q, the one with the brown tolex covering. I prefer Alino speakers.
It's broken it nicely and I love it. Plays well with Strats, Teles, HB's & P-90's. I have no plans to replace it. Did a tube swap a few weeks ago, and it made a great sounding amp better.
IMO, you can't go wrong with the PRRI. Regardless of whatever speaker you try, it's a great sounding amp.
There are a lot of videos out there with different speakers in PRRI's, worth checking out to get a basic idea of what it'll sound like.

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