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archiestone
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Jun 6th, 2018 11:28 AM   Edit   Profile  

Simple question: Between the Eric Clapton, Eric Johnson & Jeff Back model Signature Strats which is your favorite and why? (and if you have to mention some other Sig model, go ahead!)

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Jun 6th, 2018 11:58 AM   Edit   Profile  

Arch, I encountered an EJ Strat on Saturday that I really liked. Faded (yellowed) white body and a Thinline F hole on the upper side. Very attractive instrument. The neck had a soft V and was not as chubby as other EJs I've handled. I like fat necks but some of the EJs are just too big for my taste. This was a very nice guitar and for a street price of $2K it should be.

Not on your list, my second favorite sig model is the Gilmore, the Black Strat. It has everything I like in a Stratocaster.

Next the Beck and lastly the Clapton.

I'm really not into signature guitars but the Thinline EJ just looks right and feels right. I built a clone of the Gilmore just because David was an early influence to my electric playing.

This EJ Model

archiestone
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El Californio

Jun 6th, 2018 12:13 PM   Edit   Profile  

^ Very nice, but I have a problem with f holes on Tele & Strat bodies. Just looks wrong to me (for some reason.)

Hammond101
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Jun 6th, 2018 12:32 PM   Edit   Profile  

I get it totally. I'm just on the other side of those F'ers!



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Shibby
Jun 7th, 2018 07:29 AM   Edit   Profile  

Eric Johnson for me, I like the necks & the pickups sound great.

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Jun 7th, 2018 07:46 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thinline Tele = cool

Thinline Strat = weirdness

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GospelBilly!
Jun 7th, 2018 08:24 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have a 1st year of production Jeff Beck Strat with the big neck and Lace Sensor pickups in vintage white.

My '91 JB has actually appreciated in price by quite a bit.

(This message was last edited by 5Strats at 10:25 AM, Jun 7th, 2018)

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You Can't Bend It Aussie!
Jun 8th, 2018 11:18 PM   Edit   Profile  

Out of the three my preference goes to the Jeff Beck because it's akin to the old American Standard/American Series which are my all time favourite Strat models.

The other signature model I love is the Robert Cray. I have a Mexican version but have been craving for a custom shop model for a number of years. The pups and neck are friggin awesome, the body is slick with deep contours and the edges have a wider radius (i.e. not sharp, relatively) compared to most of my other Strats, plus it's the only current production hard tail.

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Jun 9th, 2018 09:11 AM   Edit   Profile  

I'm partial to the Jimmie Vaughan Strat if for no other reason than I've had one since 2005 and love it. The neck is great and the AV hardware is a nice touch. I also like that its routed for HSH. I currently have a humbucker in the bridge.

Of the 3 mentioned by the OP I'd probably go with EJ (original issue) just based in specs. I've never played any of the 3.

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GospelBilly!
Jun 9th, 2018 09:25 AM   Edit   Profile  

All the EJ Strats I've played were difficult to bend strings on and played tight.

I used to own an EC Strat with Lace Sensors that was nice, but it ultimately got swept up in the G.A.S. riptide at some point.

ejm

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Jun 9th, 2018 09:29 AM   Edit   Profile  

archiestone: Why do you ask? (It sounds like someone may have some money that is burning a hole in their pocket?)

Seriously, is there a particular feature or features that you're interested in?

Suggestion: I think you need to differentiate between the old versus newer Jeff Beck Strats for two reasons:
- The neck thickness, and
- The pickups.

Also, there are three versions of the EJ.
- The first maple neck.
- The second rosewood neck.
- The third and newest F hole.

There are two versions of the Clapton, although AFAIK only the pickups changed, not the feel.
- The first with Lace Sensors.
- The second newer with Vintage Noiseless.

Also, from what I hear the JV and the Buddy Guy are real close to the Clapton in feel.

The one that you didn't mention, but is more traditional in design and feel is the John Mayer Strat. (And someone will mention the SRV also.)

Out of the three, I actually own a first gen Clapton.
I have played but not owned a first gen EJ, and both gens of the JB, and liked them for what they are.
As much as I've always said that I like thick necks, I'm not sure I'd go with a first gen JB. I have recently come to realize that I may not like thick necks as much as I've thought. I'd need to play one again.


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Jun 9th, 2018 09:57 AM   Edit   Profile  

"All the EJ Strats I've played were difficult to bend strings on and played tight."

OK, then I'm changing my pick to the 1st version Clapton. Well, until someone posts something negative about that one. :)

ejm

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Jun 9th, 2018 06:02 PM   Edit   Profile  

"All the EJ Strats I've played were difficult to bend strings on and played tight."

Viera: There is not a lot of information in that statement. Hence, I wouldn't be so quick on the draw to dismiss the EJ.

There are several things that can make one Strat more difficult to bend strings over another.

Probably the #1 thing: Trem/Vibrato set up.
Honorable mentions: Action height, fret size, fretboard finish, fretboard radius, string gauge and age, and....any combination of the above.


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Jun 9th, 2018 07:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Hence, I wouldn't be so quick on the draw to dismiss the EJ."

True enough. However, these comments about the original EJ Strats have surfaced many, many times over the years since its introduction. They are not random, necessarily. And certainly, as you say, guitars have so many variables which can impact that aspect of playability. Nevertheless, the frequency of comments related to the "stiffness" of EJ Strats cannot be entirely discounted.

Still, there are many fans of that model as well.

60CycleHum

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Jun 9th, 2018 09:28 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have the 2nd version of the JB strat...still with lace sensors, thick baseball bat neck..not as thick as first version, lsr nut instead of wilkinson...it's still a great guitar. Would like to have a recent EJ, maybe the thin-line, the first one felt sticky on the neck and seemed like it needed a string tree. Played an early EC and don't like V necks or the stiffness mentioned earlier...might be from the trem blocking

(This message was last edited by 60CycleHum at 11:29 PM, Jun 9th, 2018)

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El Californio

Jun 10th, 2018 01:09 AM   Edit   Profile  

'Why do you ask?'
-I own a couple of nice Strats but none MIA at the moment. I played an EJ once and liked it OK but not sure if it's for me. Thought I'd take the temp and see what others thought of the sig models I find most interesting. No real agenda afoot... for now.

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is gonna get et
Jun 10th, 2018 08:03 AM   Edit   Profile  

The EJ Strat's headstock design is different from other necks. The headstock has more of a setback, and that increases string angle over the nut. The intent was to dispense with the string tree(s) and maintain firm contact between the strings and nut.

That factor is what creates the tighter feel when bending on an EJ Strat.

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Jun 10th, 2018 08:58 AM   Edit   Profile  

ejm, my comment was mostly tongue in cheek. EJ Strats (originals) might work just fine for how I play.

But I do hold 5Strats' opinions in high regard and Peegoo's explanation makes sense.

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GospelBilly!
Jun 12th, 2018 06:21 AM   Edit   Profile  

ejm - I own 7 Strats currently, 4 of which are American Deluxe models. The EJ's just were more difficult to bend strings on, for me at least.

I attribute a lot of this to the maple fretboards and the finish Fender uses on the EJ models. (I know the EJ is also available with a rosewood fretboard but I've never tried one). I prefer rosewood fretboards too, so this also entered into my opinion significantly.

Note - The maple fretboard on my 2017 American Special Strat is a very light satin and plays excellent. It plays better than the Am Dlx V neck Strat I used to own which had a lot more finish on the maple fretboard.

If none of this makes sense, I'm to blame. (:oD

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Jun 12th, 2018 08:22 AM   Edit   Profile  

I haven't tried other sig Strats but I like my John Mayer Strat very much--vintage specs, fat C neck, custom pickups that sound vintage-y.

(This message was last edited by tiller2 at 05:22 PM, Jun 12th, 2018)

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