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FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / Boost before or after crunch pedals?

jellybones
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Jun 20th, 2018 05:51 PM   Edit   Profile  

In the strat forum I asked a question about getting a fatter sound particularly when playing rhythm. Think crunchy ‘90s and hard rock. An obvious idea is to use a boost of some sort. Would you suggest it before or after OD or distortion pedal? Boost I have is TC Spark Boost. Thanks for your thoughts.

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Jun 20th, 2018 06:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

If you're looking that route, and can't get it with the OD pedal on its own (and the amp)...the boost probably won't get you there for the thing you're talking about.

But if you have both, try 'em. It might work.

Boost after gain IME just ups the noise floor.

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Jun 20th, 2018 06:36 PM   Edit   Profile  

I’ve always run boost before OD/distortion. And low gain before higher gain OD pedals if I want to stack them.

Really, just try different setups and see what you like.

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Jun 20th, 2018 06:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

There is no right or wrong here, just personal preference.

The general rule of thumb is go before OD if you want to "drive" the input signal to the pedal (affecting tonal properties) or go after the OD if you just want to make your existing tone "louder".

I have the TC Spark Boost Mini, and my preference is after my OD pedals.
TBH, I haven't put a boost in front of my OD in a long time, so I should experiment again just for the heck of it.

I have a tendency to be lazy, meaning once I find a setting or arrangement that works for me, I pretty much run with it until forever...

unless I become motivated by something like this thread :^)


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Jun 20th, 2018 06:53 PM   Edit   Profile  

If I want the dirtbox to get louder, I turn up the output knob on the dirtbox!

All but my Ampeg Scrambler have them!

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Jun 21st, 2018 06:07 AM   Edit   Profile  

"I have a tendency to be lazy, meaning once I find a setting or arrangement that works for me, I pretty much run with it until forever..."

same here

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Jun 21st, 2018 03:59 PM   Edit   Profile  

Pedals are no different from a logical flow chart you draw on paper:

Do you want to boost your overdrive tone?

Or do you want to overdrive your boosted signal?


As mentioned above, try it both ways, at gig volume (this is important) and see which sounds better to you.

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Jun 21st, 2018 04:39 PM   Edit   Profile  

"If I want the dirtbox to get louder, I turn up the output knob on the dirtbox!"

I get what you're saying, but that isn't really practical if you're trying to boost for just a section of a song like a solo.

However, I've also heard there's a thing on guitars called a volume knob... ;^)

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Jun 21st, 2018 05:26 PM   Edit   Profile  

"I’ve always run boost before OD/distortion. And low gain before higher gain OD pedals if I want to stack them."

Yep!

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Jun 22nd, 2018 03:27 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've come around to using my volume control on the compressor as a boost before the OD.

Peegoo is correct. You have to test it at gig volume. And actually you have to test the entire signal chain that way too. I find as you pump up the volume you roll back all the effects.

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Jun 23rd, 2018 11:59 AM   Edit   Profile  

^ yes

I've been playing around with the compressor as volume boost at the end of the chain

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Jun 25th, 2018 10:08 AM   Edit   Profile  

What amp?

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Jun 26th, 2018 08:25 PM   Edit   Profile  

Rivera 5512 primarily

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Aug 4th, 2018 04:02 PM   Edit   Profile  

I usually just run a flat EQ pedal boosted to just bump up the amp a bit over the output of my guitar. Then I'll run the dirt box dejour after that. Probably wrong but it works for me. I always save a bit of the guitar knob to push a solo but mostly I'll select or add a different pickup.

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Aug 4th, 2018 07:09 PM   Edit   Profile  

"I find as you pump up the volume you roll back all the effects."

Spot on. Less is always better than more.


No, I'm not comparing Les Claypool to Gary Moore :o)

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Aug 5th, 2018 03:12 AM   Edit   Profile  

"More is more. How can less be more??!!" Yngwie Malmsteen :-)

Anyone who hasn't seen That Pedal Show on youtube should check them out. Daniel Steinhardt who runs a company called The Gig Rig producing high end power supplies and switching, and putting together pedal boards for pros, has an encyclopedic knowledge and understanding of amps, pedals, signal path and tone. And he's with Mick Taylor who was with Guitarist magazine for 20 years, he's no slouch either. I thought I knew a bit about this stuff but I've learned a huge amount from watching their videos.

At 15 minutes this is one of their shorter vids, and it's an old one on Dan's The Gig Rig channel.

'Clean boost, compressor, treble boost and overdrive: what order?'

stinger22

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Aug 6th, 2018 05:44 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have JHS Little Black Buffer -> Cry Baby -> Xotic SL Compressor on the front the SL with a slight boost when engaged. Then various Low OD to Mid OD pedals, then last thing a Xotic EP boost at about 9 o'clock to sweeten the signal to the front of the amp. Zoom G3 in the effects loop.

It's all what your ear likes!

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Aug 6th, 2018 10:53 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'm kind of a straight into the amp guy.

I use a compressor, delay, distortion and a wah.

I get the rest out of the volume on the guitar and pick attack.

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