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FDP Forum / FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / Need a plug-in acoustic: Convert vs buy installed?

tiller2
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Jun 25th, 2018 07:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

For once, I am considering an acoustic guitar I actually NEED. One for performing, with a pickup so I can just plug in at the endpin. Great sounding, of course.

I have borrowed my son's Taylor 214 Grand Auditorium, and it sounds very impressive plugged in; in fact, better than it does unplugged.

I could consider installing a high-end pickup in a guitar I own--Larrivee or a Gibson J-45--but I fear the modification will affect their unplugged tone, even if slightly. I am strongly attached to them.

Wouldn't it make sense to choose a guitar with a pickup already installed, so I know what I'm getting, both plugged in or au naturel?

Have you permanently modded a favorite acoustic in this way? What happened?

Tom B.

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Jun 25th, 2018 08:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Many years ago I had a Martin thinline gold + (undersaddle piezo) professionally installed on my D28. Best I can tell it didn't alter the acoustic tone at all. Nowadays there seem to be a number of approaches that are not invasive at all, even reduced size endpin jacks that eliminate reaming. On the other hand, do you want to haul one of your treasured acoustics around. Lots of options either way.

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Jun 25th, 2018 09:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Tom, good to know. My concern is indeed about the tone.

The guitars in question are not super-valuable, vintage, etc. I've just sworn off buying more guitars without a clear need. For now, anyway. :^P

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Jun 25th, 2018 10:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I can confirm what Tom B. said. I have both a Gibson J45 with the L.R. Baggs and a Martin HD28 with Thinline Gold.

It has no effect on the tone.

But you have ask yourself an important question. What is your goal? Do you play at home and only for yourself? Or are you playing live.

If you want to be heard and in a live situation the only way to do that is with with a professionally installed pickup run through a decent soundboard. If there is any loss in tone the tradeoff is worth it and it's not even close.

(This message was last edited by larryguitar19 at 01:15 AM, Jun 26th, 2018)

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Jun 25th, 2018 10:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm getting a few opportunities to play live, and it's a goal of mine. Thanks for the tips.

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Jun 26th, 2018 06:28 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I put in a K and K Pure Mini in my D18 and it didn’t affect unplugged tone at all.

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Jun 26th, 2018 07:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

K&K does well in a mild setting I’ve found but if it gets really loud I get a lot of feedback. Don’t forget a soundhole cover or you’ll be howling all night. The undersaddle pickups do well but don’t seem as natural sounding to me.
Either option can work. I use an LR Baggs DI as a preamp to get a better EQ on my acoustics but having eq,phase,switch,notch filter onboard the guitar is really handy for on the fly changes.

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Jun 26th, 2018 08:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I use a Boss GE7 eq pedal with my K and K to boost the signal and eq the bad stuff out .

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Jun 26th, 2018 11:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Spot on. A Boss EQ pedal wotks great as a preamp for the K&K systems, and is cheaper than the purpose-made preamp.

I've installed a bunch of K&Ks in acoustics over the years with 100% customer satisfaction. They require no batteries and sound great.

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Jun 26th, 2018 08:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Great tips. I’ve looked at the K&K mini before; time to try it and the Boss pedal. In the J-45.

Thanks, all

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Jun 26th, 2018 08:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

ditto deleted

(This message was last edited by tiller2 at 10:46 PM, Jun 26th, 2018)

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Jun 26th, 2018 08:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Agree with other posters about getting some sort of EQ. I have the Fishman Tondeq.

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