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FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / The famous Gibson pile

Shlock the monster

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Jun 27th, 2018 10:08 AM   Edit   Profile  

Recently I found this photo about the famous infamous Gibson pile, where all the guitars, which don't pass quality measures are dumped.
In an interview with Henry J. some years ago I read, he dumps any guitar, which is away from production standard (bad wood, arched neck etc.) on a pile within the factory. Sometimes, if he guides visitors through the factory, they are shocked after seeing it!
The picture simply made me cry!
Why can't Gibson simply sand off the logos and sell them for only their material values in the conditions they are?
Many young guitarists would be very thankful and Gibson would safe costs for disposal?

https://www.pic-upload.de/view-35542320/gibson_schrott.jpg.html

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larryguitar
Jun 27th, 2018 10:46 AM   Edit   Profile  

I think Gibson did that in the Norland Era. They would sell blemished product with a stamp signifying it was of lesser quality.

I'm not sure about that as a long term business plan.

I suspect the concern is it fosters a certain culture that conflicts with the ideal of "Nothing goes out the door unless it's right".

(This message was last edited by larryguitar19 at 12:50 PM, Jun 27th, 2018)

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Jun 28th, 2018 08:04 AM   Edit   Profile  

How would they know if there was a finish flaw on a Zakk Wylde LP? {har}

I have a pre-Norlin ES-125 with a "2" stamped on the back of the headstock, so they were selling seconds back then. (No flaws are apparent 50+ years later.)

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Jun 28th, 2018 08:14 AM   Edit   Profile  

I once owned a RD-77 Artist marked "Second".


Never could find the flaw.




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Jun 28th, 2018 02:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

RD's are back because the guitarists in Ghost play them. "Who?" REALLY? (;oD

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Jun 28th, 2018 05:46 PM   Edit   Profile  

A lot of manufacturer "seconds" are just overstocks, sold as something other than "new" so it doesn't compete with the supply chain.


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Jun 28th, 2018 06:02 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think the nameless ghouls are playing Hagstroms.


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Ooo that sandwich

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Jun 29th, 2018 05:42 AM   Edit   Profile  

"Why can't Gibson simply sand off the logos and sell them for only their material values in the conditions they are?"

Because of the labor costs required to do the work, as well as handle and distribute the non-branded product.

It's actually cheaper to dispose of substandard product and spend company $$ on new-guitar production. "Dispose of" does not always mean to throw away. It also means "sell to someone else."

I'll betcha fleaBay vendors GibsonReliable and Stratosphere are in business relationships with Gibson and Fender (respectively). They pick up line-rejected items at a discount and sell them as non-factory/non-warranty parts.

I'm pretty sure the 'Gibson Pile' picture is from flood-damaged guitars, not factory rejects.

Gibson has always cut the necks off QC-rejected guitars before tossing them into the bin. PRS does the same. This is done to preserve the brands' image. For Fender, their modular construction simplifies this whole process.

Guitars stamped "2nd" or "USED" don't roll off the line at the factory; they are sold to 2nd [Heh!] -party contractors and refurbed/completed by them. This is the reason no guitar stamped 2nd or USED comes with a factory warranty. It's also why GibsonReliable and Stratosphere don't sell completed guitars. They could! They have all the parts :o) But their business agreements preclude that practice.

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Jun 29th, 2018 05:49 AM   Edit   Profile  

Stratosphere does have Gibson necks/bodies for sale.

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Ooo that sandwich

is gonna get et
Jun 29th, 2018 06:01 AM   Edit   Profile  

Yep. They're in bidniz!

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Ooo that sandwich

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Jun 29th, 2018 06:26 AM   Edit   Profile  

Here's the 2010 press release from Gibson following the flood.

Note the excitement at the end of the PR re: Gibson's growth into consumer electronics [gulp]

Click here if you can handle Rick Medlocke's skullet.

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Jun 29th, 2018 08:09 AM   Edit   Profile  

"I'm pretty sure the 'Gibson Pile' picture is from flood-damaged guitars, not factory rejects."

You're probably right. Otherwise, why have such a pile with bridges, jack plates, control knobs, etc., still in place. Those are easily salvaged components.

Ricey

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Jul 1st, 2018 05:59 AM   Edit   Profile  

That pic looks like it was taken inside the back of a truck or intermodal shipping container. Where were they sending them-landfill?

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Ooo that sandwich

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Jul 1st, 2018 07:11 AM   Edit   Profile  

Probably an incinerator.

Shlock the monster

Austria

Jul 2nd, 2018 02:44 AM   Edit   Profile  

Sadly I can'T find the interview anymore, where Herny J. responded about an inquiry concerning quality controls of this pile.
May be it's not really this one.
But even it really shows only damaged guitar after a flood, simply throwing them into an incinerator has a bad taste for me.

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