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Mick Reid
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Jun 29th, 2018 04:49 PM   Edit   Profile  

The only thing I would do differently is chorus before delay, but that is only my preference not hard & fast rule.

One thing I have noticed running pedals into the front of the amp vs into an fx loop is the "effect" is not as prominent. Hence I need to set the controls a bit differently. For example, I may need to adjust the "Mix" on my Carbon Copy higher.

I'd say keep experimenting and maybe play with your settings a bit more.

edit to add:
I feel the order of the signal chain also effects how the individual pedals "play" with each other, so don't just change position, change their settings too.

FWIW the CC and HOF are true bypass so I don't think you'd be suffering a significant signal loss (especially with only 3 pedals) and don't know a booster/buffer is going make much difference.

I'll be interested in what others may have to say though...

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 07:00 PM, Jun 29th, 2018)

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Jun 29th, 2018 05:03 PM   Edit   Profile  

Chorus...Reverb...Delay. And add a buffered OD to the front.

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Jun 29th, 2018 05:24 PM   Edit   Profile  

Delay always last.

jmo.

Cal-Woody

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Jun 29th, 2018 06:54 PM   Edit   Profile  

Agreed with LeftyMeister that the delay should go last. And also agree that an OD/Distortion would go in front of your other effects mentioned.
Otherwise, these effects would sound bad if the OD wasn't an amp based effect.

Mick Reid
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Jun 30th, 2018 12:16 AM   Edit   Profile  

Every pedal manufacturer's signal chain recommendation I've ever seen shows Reverb last.
This is also where I've run my HoF ever since I got it.

I think of if like running effects into an amp that has on-board reverb but no FX loop. All effects loaded into the front, hence into the reverb.

Strymon and Boss just for examples.

copy & paste this one:
https://www.strymon.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/signalchain1-1024x673.jpg

or

click this one for Boss

SonicBlue

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Jun 30th, 2018 03:40 AM   Edit   Profile  

Think of how it is in real life. The amplifier distorts the signal then it hits the speaker. Only after the already distorted signal has hit the walls and ceiling does it become reverb and delay.

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Jun 30th, 2018 04:27 AM   Edit   Profile  

^
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Mick Reid
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Jun 30th, 2018 07:06 AM   Edit   Profile  

"Think of how it is in real life. The amplifier distorts the signal then it hits the speaker. Only after the already distorted signal has hit the walls and ceiling does it become reverb and delay."

I don't get your analogy. Can you explain please?


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Jun 30th, 2018 07:16 AM   Edit   Profile  

I find that reverb after delay kills the subtlety of the delay.

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Jun 30th, 2018 07:46 AM   Edit   Profile  

"I don't get your analogy. Can you explain please?"

I guess it's the recording engineer in me. I always tend to think of things in terms of acoustical spaces and using electronics to mimic that.

When I used to use pedals I thought of their order in the chain related to the original guys, back in the 60's, that didn't really have pedals to sculpt their sound. They had to rely on acoustics to spatially "effect" their amps. Either a room or acoustical echo chamber. All of this stuff happens after the amp. So, if I was going to link a bunch of pedals together the echo and reverb would be last in the chain. Distortion pedals would be just before that. Compression just before that. Then the rest is subjective. But, that's just how I did it. YMMV

When playing live with a band I have found that, unless you are playing surf music, reverb doesn't have much of a use on stage. It tends to muddy up things. Delay works much better when used properly. Once the band's cumulative sound gets out into a room, reverb is already happening to some extent. Adding more to it usually detracts from the clarity. Having done FOH sound for years gave me that realization.

When recording, all of that goes out the window and you do whatever is necessary to fill in the spaces.

I don't really use pedals anymore but, I still use effects. I have plug-ins for that now. I may put a chorus pedal in front of an amp if I'm using one on a track. Most of the time I use a modeler for recording and it has effects up the wazoo if needed. Still, the plug-ins in the DAW usually sound better. It depends on where in the chain the effect needs to be to get the sound I want.

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Jun 30th, 2018 08:29 AM   Edit   Profile  

I place Reverb last. But, in my amps, that’s in the effects loop. That’s my taste, though. Not saying it’s “right.”

Cal-Woody

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Jun 30th, 2018 10:23 AM   Edit   Profile  

Yes, reverb last because the reverb would effect the timing you are expecting from it.
A delay is set for a specific need and the reverb would add more of a spacial effect and not allow the delay to be as pronounced.
So, I have to change what I had said earlier.

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Jun 30th, 2018 10:36 AM   Edit   Profile  

Rocky,

Is a lot of your delay use that “The Edge” type of sound?

I’m not disagreeing with your setup at all. After all, you’re the one of us two who is playing out. (-:

LeftyMeister
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Jun 30th, 2018 10:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have two delays. One is set for the Edge style and the other for slapback. I haven't used a reverb pedal in a very long time but, even then, I would rarely use reverb and delay together because it sounded too washed out to me.

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Jun 30th, 2018 11:14 AM   Edit   Profile  

I usually don’t use DELAY and reverb together.

The reverb is also in the Marshall, and it’s not drippy Fender reverb. I also have it dialed back on the red channel quite a bit.

(This message was last edited by Leftee at 07:20 PM, Jun 30th, 2018)

Mick Reid
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Jun 30th, 2018 05:19 PM   Edit   Profile  

"I ususLly don’t use clay and reverb together."

Yeah, the clay gets stuck to the bottom of my shoes.




Sorry, couldn't help myself! ;^P

Also - thanks Sonic, I get what you were saying now.



Leftee
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Jun 30th, 2018 05:21 PM   Edit   Profile  

Dang autocarrott.

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Jun 30th, 2018 07:19 PM   Edit   Profile  

Probably a buffer would help before the signal hits the amp if you're loosing too much umphh. Just use a boss pedal ,I believe they all contain a buffer or throw an eq pedal right after your last without changing eq just bump up the signal after your earlier pedals. A lot seems to depend on which brand and type of pedal you use.
I used to use way too many pedals stacked up and found my tone was so much better when I just used a cord between the guitar and amp so there is some difference straight out of the box.

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Jun 30th, 2018 07:26 PM   Edit   Profile  

The Polytune 3 also has a buffer.

zenland

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Jun 30th, 2018 10:27 PM   Edit   Profile  

I had a drummer explain this to me ( the reverb/delay thing) he worked at Mars Music) when we started a band 20 years ago. We were buying our first PA system.



The link explains what he said.

Link

(This message was last edited by zenland at 01:09 AM, Jul 1st, 2018)

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