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littleuch
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Jul 8th, 2018 10:11 AM   Edit   Profile  

Then again I find the Rogue mandolin usable, so...

How do you typically tune these things?

Also bought some finger picks and steel bar slide. We'll see...

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(This message was last edited by littleuch at 12:11 PM, Jul 8th, 2018)

ninworks
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Jul 8th, 2018 11:11 AM   Edit   Profile  

I don't know if it is 'correct' or not but, I tune my Chandler 6 string lap steel either to E Major or E minor open tuning depending on what I am going to be playing. I do that, mainly, because I am an old slide guitar player and those two tunings are the least foreign to me. I still suck at it but I can find my way around. I'm much better at slide guitar.

E Maj from low to high E B E G# B E
E min from low to high E B E G B E

I bought some fingerpicks as well but having never used them before they seem really alien to me. I usually either just finger pick or hybrid pick my lap steel.

I have seen real lap steel players using a finger on their left hand, behind the bar, bending strings and making it sound like a pedal steel. Blew me away when I first saw that. Way beyond my abilities.

Someday I would really like to have a pedal steel of sorts. If that ever happens I will have to learn to use fingerpicks. I would probably take lessons for that. I'll bet there are some half-decent players around here in the Nashville area that give lessons. :oP

littleuch
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Jul 8th, 2018 12:42 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yeah, I've done a little slide, usually in standard tuning, but never even touched a lap steel. This will be mostly for background texture I'm sure. It just occurred to me I didn't even know how they're typically tuned. I'm thinking I'll need a volume pedal now.

(This message was last edited by littleuch at 02:43 PM, Jul 8th, 2018)

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Jul 8th, 2018 01:50 PM   Edit   Profile  

You'll be happy with it. A lap steel is perhaps the only string instrument next to a washtub bass that can be a total junker and still kick serious butt.

The reasons are simple--once you get your hands on one and take a close look.

1. String height can be sky-high and it will work great.

2. Nut action can be 1/2" or more and you'll still hit all the notes you need.

3. Intonation at the bridge does not matter because you're not pressing strings to frets. If you see a lap steel with individual moveable saddles, it's proof that the maker knows very little about how a lap steel actually works.

The critical things on a lap steel are that the tuners hold the strings at the tension you need, and that the pickup works. For everything else you normally associate with guitar playing, all bets can be off and it will still kick butt.

Fret position markers are for visual reference only; your ears are what will tell you when you're at the notes you need.

Good technique does help, of course. Listen to a lot of different lap players (Dave Lindley, Ry Cooder, Junior Brown, Cindy Cashdollar, Arlen Roth, John Paul Jones, Ben Harper, etc.), and you'll be able to pick up on what's going on. Drag your fingers behind the steel to mute, and use lots of slide vibrato.

It is a blast.

littleuch
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Jul 8th, 2018 07:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks Ken, thanks Peegs. Yeah, the only reason I bought the finger picks is because I saw someone using them on a youtube demo. I'm sure they'll make it to the drawer in no time. The hilarious part of this is that I started looking around at volume pedals, and they are for the most part $20+ more than what I paid for the Rogue, lol.

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Jul 8th, 2018 07:54 PM   Edit   Profile  

Get yourself a used wah pedal for $20 and convert it to a passive volume pedal. Dead easy!

littleuch
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Jul 8th, 2018 08:18 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have a cry baby I almost never use.

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Jul 8th, 2018 11:13 PM   Edit   Profile  

Wire it up like a 'volume box' and it will work great.

Leave the PCB in the pedal and you can always convert it back to a wah if you decide to do so.

Look here. Omit the switch; send the signal through the pot.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 01:15 AM, Jul 9th, 2018)

Riff Twang

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Jul 8th, 2018 11:59 PM   Edit   Profile  

If you're into Western Swing music and the like, and want chord voicings to sound a bit pedal steelish, try tuning to C6 (Am7).

Low to High... C E G A C E

That's what I use, and is not too difficult to get to know and work with, and there's plenty of info available as it is a traditional and popular tuning.

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Jul 9th, 2018 07:25 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have both the Rogue Mandolin and the lap steel. I reinforced the leg mounts in the body after one broke straight away. I also replaced the pickup for fun. Not a bad little lap steel.

littleuch
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Jul 9th, 2018 07:34 PM   Edit   Profile  

Peegoo, thanks for the schematic. Considering I've used my wah once in 5 years on a recording, I might give it a whirl, especially if it's easily reversed.

Riff, I've seen that tuning referenced elsewhere and think that'll be my direction.

Aaron, the first thing I thought of when I was looking at the Rogue was "I wonder if a standard single coil will fit in the there".

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Jul 9th, 2018 10:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

I feel like it was a standard strat size but I can't quite remember. I'll have to look and see. If it wasn't then I probably just rewound it.

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Jul 10th, 2018 07:20 AM   Edit   Profile  

$80? Man, now I'm thinking of it...waiting your review..

littleuch
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Jul 11th, 2018 05:38 PM   Edit   Profile  

Arrived today. One leg adjuster wouldn't engage because the threading was goobered. I horsed it through, the knob is ugly but functional.

I tuned it to C6, plugged it into my Princeton Reverb II, cranked the verb and...

It sounds fairly decent! I bought a heavy slide bar and it feels pretty intuitive. The 4 metal fingerpicks, not so much. We'll get back to them another time. The first thing that seems a little dubious is the nut.

But for now....(cue Roadrunner intro)

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Jul 12th, 2018 09:26 AM   Edit   Profile  

Next, plan a luau..

(This message was last edited by professor at 11:27 AM, Jul 12th, 2018)

littleuch
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Jul 12th, 2018 09:39 AM   Edit   Profile  

Har, and I see Reverb and elsewhere have loaded pickguards with Duncan Pickups available for easy swap out. Very smart. Of course, these are more money than the lap steel itself.

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Jul 12th, 2018 11:23 AM   Edit   Profile  

I was so into lap steel for a few years starting about '03 or so. Fun stuff but I don't play them much anymore. I still have 4 or 5 of them plus a Weissenborn. I really need to get busy and put a pickup in the Weis and use it in the acoustic duo.

Have fun, lap steel is a blast!

littleuch
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Jul 12th, 2018 12:01 PM   Edit   Profile  

"I have seen real lap steel players using a finger on their left hand, behind the bar, bending strings and making it sound like a pedal steel."

Watched a few youtubes of this technique. Good lord, that ain't happening with these knobby digits. Also dig the bar slant for different chord voicings.

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(This message was last edited by littleuch at 02:02 PM, Jul 12th, 2018)

ninworks
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Jul 21st, 2018 05:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

"If you're into Western Swing music and the like, and want chord voicings to sound a bit pedal steelish, try tuning to C6 (Am7).

Low to High... C E G A C E"

What gauge strings do you use for this tuning?

Riff Twang

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Jul 22nd, 2018 01:27 AM   Edit   Profile  

"Low to High... C E G A C E
What gauge strings do you use for this tuning?"


Depends a bit on scale length of instrument.
They can be from about 22" or smaller to 25" or so.

GHS make a set that "should" work on most lap steels, and they are:

Low to high: 36, 30, 26, 20, 17, 15.


(edited for more clarification)

more info here

(This message was last edited by Riff Twang at 07:47 AM, Jul 22nd, 2018)

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