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FDP Forum / Moe's Tavern (_8^(I) / Gun safe locks: old school mechanical dial combination, or electronic keypad?

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009
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Jul 9th, 2018 06:18 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Batteries — probably subjective to some degree. My wife uses the safe and, not being technically inclined, does not like being technologically thwarted. We will not be buying the cheap batteries again— she made me promise that.

PS - every battery is going to poop out sooner or later. Keeping spares on hand keeps you from making an inconvenient run to buy more just when you have to get into the safe. “Better” batteries = fewer battery changes, if you believe that there are differences in battery quality.

PPS - no such concerns with mechanical locks, as long as you don’t misplace your reading glasses.... ;-)

(This message was last edited by 009 at 08:41 AM, Jul 9th, 2018)

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Jul 9th, 2018 07:03 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have both and prefer the electronic lock. I keep the guns I use the most in that safe, just easier access for me and plenty secure.

I use the other safe for guns I don't shoot much and a couple "safe queens" that only get used on special occasions.

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Jul 9th, 2018 08:11 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a Liberty safe with mechanical dial. Not much to go wrong with that.

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Jul 9th, 2018 08:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Use lithium batteries and change them on January 1 every year.

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Jul 9th, 2018 08:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have the mechanical lock because I didn't like the idea of how easy it was to manipulate the electronic ones.

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Jul 9th, 2018 11:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Fort Knox offers a safe that has the digital, and the mechanical as a back up in case of EMP or battery failure, and digital combo failure.

That's fine if you're okay with mechanical.

Mechanical can be manipulated in 12 minutes by the pros, so in theory you're electric combo is no better than the weakest link, the mechanical which the pro would default to.

Not to say there's a lot of "pros" walking around. I don't know what the odds are that a burglar is going to know how to manipulate a mechanical safe lock, but it seems the odds would be very low.

I've been looking at the Fort Knox. They're much more than a cookie cutter gun safe. Way harder to get into.

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Jul 9th, 2018 11:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's something that you can do. Go to Google and type in 'gun safe cracking' or just 'safe cracking'. This might help decide what kind of safe you buy.

When I was shopping for mine, it never came to mind to do this and as such, I have what I have and is one that can be cracked easily but still, there's not a whole lot of safe crackers walking the streets around.

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Jul 9th, 2018 11:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a Liberty with mechanical dial. It can be a little finicky if you don’t get it precisely right. I learned that when they say spin it around at least four times before starting the combination, they aren’t kidding. I can spin it pretty fast with my thumb and do more like 10 revs first.
If theives have access to my safe that means they also have access to my garage where they would find plenty of tools to open my safe.

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Jul 9th, 2018 12:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've had a mechanical for over 20 years. I'm having a tougher time hitting the marks too and have been thinking about changing to electronic.
Jim

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Jul 9th, 2018 02:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's wild, it seems like it's pretty much split down the middle, here and even other places on the innerwebs.

I hear that over time the mechanical locks can shift by a number or two, so nothing is perfect.

I should add that this is mainly for long term storage/protection from smash and grab burglaries. I wont need to access it quickly in the middle of the night. I've got other solutions for that unlikely event.

My gut is still saying call and have it switched to mechanical, well, my gut and the fact that Chris said real men are analog.

;-)

Thanks for everyone's input.





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Jul 9th, 2018 02:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have three small "safes" for some of my handguns -- one for each floor of the house. They have electric pad switches rather than a keypad that I can actuate in the dark. I have the same combination programmed on each of them.

I have another safe for the rifles and shotties -- electronic keypad.

I also have a large metal cabinet where I store The bulk of my ammo and reloading components (yes Virginia, we have to lock up projectiles, cases, primers, and powder in this state). I have retrofitted the cabinet with steel bracing inside and a HD hasp to accommodate a padlock.

I had to build a separate wooden cabinet (with a lock) to store my powders to comply with the MA fire code.

It ain't easy owning firearms outside of *real* America.

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Jul 9th, 2018 07:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I hear that over time the mechanical locks can shift by a number or two, so nothing is perfect."

Yes indeed. This is what compelled our recent change.

Back in my prior life I had to change the combination on the safe every time we had a management change. Seldom did a combination have to exist for more than six months to a year … sometimes maybe a little as a week.

Point being, the combination set was always fresh back then.

Obviously, a trick to defeat this problem is learn how to set a combination and change it now and then to keep the setting fresh.

edited to add: In our recent case … Queenie wanted the key pad lock and Queenie usually gets what Queenie wants. ;)

(This message was last edited by BlondeStrat at 09:54 PM, Jul 9th, 2018)

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Jul 10th, 2018 05:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

^^^ Yes! I never had to make the decision to go electronic — this is what my wife wanted.

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Jul 10th, 2018 10:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have electronic, but I've always worried about EMP protection. Mine does not have a key override system...I think you'd be screwed if the electronics failed.

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Jul 10th, 2018 03:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Called today and I'm having them switch it to a mechanical lock.

It was going to keep bothering me, so I just went ahead and fixed it.

It will be here a week from today.

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Jul 10th, 2018 03:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I'm having them switch it to a mechanical lock."

Maybe you already know how, but I'd make sure to have the necessary tool and the knowledge on how to change the combo by yourself.

All the usual reasons for this apply, but also in the event the dial starts getting wonky from slippage, you can reset the combo any time you need to (and while you can still open the lock).

edited to add: Don't even ask me why I added that last part there in parenthesis. ;)

(This message was last edited by BlondeStrat at 05:32 PM, Jul 10th, 2018)

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Jul 10th, 2018 07:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This vid is pretty timely: our ozzie pal Dave Jones of the EEVblog shows us some approaches to electronically (and mechanically...DOH!) attack a lock. He also shows us hoow these things work.

But no spoilers from me!

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Jul 10th, 2018 10:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I ran across that one a while back when I was watching the vids on the safe crackers.

Here's sexy Melissa with sturdy safe showing how to take delivery of your safe in yoga pants.

She's wearing the yoga pants.

YT

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Jul 10th, 2018 11:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The sleazebaggery is STRONG in this one!

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Jul 11th, 2018 04:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I bought my safe locally, so I didn't have to uncrate the thing. All I did was pay money and then point to where I wanted them to put the safe!



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