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FDP Forum / Moe's Tavern (_8^(I) / A concealed carry lesson-educate your spouse/SO (longish)

littleuch
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Jul 10th, 2018 08:45 AM   Edit   Profile  

My wife and I are on the same page when it comes to CC, 2a, etc. The only reason she hasn't gotten her CC is threefold; time, enthusiasm and the fact that I have mine. I have shared a lot of the particulars with her, especially the "concealed carry means just that, no one knows". Occasionally she'll ask me "do you have Elsie?", which is code for LCP (Ruger). This is usually a quiet exchange.

On a recent trip to Texas we were in the company of family. While approaching a private establishment(not federal/government/etc. building) we saw a posting banning open carry AND concealed weapons. My error #1 was not know that Texas has an ordinance that, unlike Florida and most states, makes it an automatic trespassing violation if you're caught. I know the laws about reciprocity, duty to inform, etc., but this one caught me a little off guard. I don't want to get into the dynamic of the Tx law, but suffice to say I chose to obey.

But I didn't drive, so this meant returning to someone else's vehicle to lock my firearm in the glove box. Now I know that person is a "friendly" and had no issues, actually we thought all would be on the same side of thought. Enough so that my wife casually discussed it with our party "oh, he's taking his gun back to the car because..."

Well, ...there's always one.

I won't say this person is anti, just totally uneducated regarding firearms coupled with an irrational fear of a firearm in proximity. It isn't my place to educate them unsolicited, explain my level of experience and training, the law, the fact that it is very likely many of their friends carry (it is Texas after all) etc. I would say they were slightly unhinged for a moment, ("that's the craziest thing I ever heard"-lol) then it was not discussed any further.

I take all responsibility for revealing my CC. I have since told my wife that "No one knows" means everyone, including close family. It will be my issue and my issue alone to handle these kinds of scenarios. In retrospect I know how I would have handled this scenario without bringing it to anyone's attention. I have learned a lesson, as did my wife.

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Jul 10th, 2018 08:58 AM   Edit   Profile  

Sadly, Concealed Carry can at times become almost a stigma out in society.

Situations as you describe here can really mess up a nice day for no rational reason.

Anyway, Queenie has her Concealed Firearms Permit and as a result she *gets it* from all perspectives. She is also abundantly aware of the many out there that *don't get it* at all.

Queenie was once one of them. ;)

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Jul 10th, 2018 09:16 AM   Edit   Profile  

"No one knows."

That is a good policy with CCWs and details of one's home alarm/security systems. I don't talk about how & when I carry, and I don't talk about security measures implemented in my home.

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Jul 10th, 2018 09:18 AM   Edit   Profile  

"No one knows."

Well, except all of you virtual mopes.

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Jul 10th, 2018 09:24 AM   Edit   Profile  

"No one knows."

For me this has been the case even entering posted private properties here in Nevada.

Clearly Texas has added a tweak there making it a tad more concerning.

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Jul 10th, 2018 09:33 AM   Edit   Profile  

I said it before and I'll say it again, Texas made a HUGE mistake making open carry legal.

Hear me out:

Before, if an establishment didn't want guns on their premises they would post a generic "no guns" sign usually of their creation, and most of the times it was not a legal sign so as a CHL holder you could ignore it and still carry concealed.

Open carry however freaked out the antis so much, they learned to post the proper sign to prevent open carry, and while they were at it, they learned how to post the proper sign to prevent concealed carry, which just takes posting the same sign with a different law number.


Open carry has put a huge dent into the places concealed carry is legal.

Dumb dumb dumb law, dumb decision.

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Jul 10th, 2018 10:03 AM   Edit   Profile  

Fundamentally I agree with open carry. Practially, I think its foolish "off of the open trail" and plays into the hands of those who'd have us completely disarmed.

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Jul 10th, 2018 10:23 AM   Edit   Profile  

While my wife has no issues with me carrying or having guns in the house, she thinks of it as just another one of my wacky hobbies. She has no interest in or appreciation for the importance of the 2A. And she certainly has no appreciation for how bat crap nuts the antis are.

She is a committed Facebooker. It has been a full time exercise requiring regular reinforcement to convince her not to discuss guns, gun ownership, or gun rights on FB.

When we go out, I am carrying about 90% of the time -- I don't tell her, and she has never noticed -- except the couple of times she caught me putting the gun back in the safe after we got home.



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Jul 10th, 2018 10:36 AM   Edit   Profile  

It makes me wonder how long it will be before some of these Texas establishments start performing random checks under the guise of stop loss prevention. If I thought of it then certainly it's already been done.

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Jul 10th, 2018 11:45 AM   Edit   Profile  

They should really start enforcing those "No Idiots Allowed" signs in all manner of stores, bars, etc.

Oh right .... there aren't any such signs. An idiot might get offended and complain.

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Jul 10th, 2018 11:54 AM   Edit   Profile  

"They should really start enforcing those "No Idiots Allowed" signs in all manner of stores, bars, etc."

Concealed OR openly carried.

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Jul 10th, 2018 11:54 AM   Edit   Profile  

From time to time, one must assess the reality of the situation versus the permissibility of same.

Love,

A former Chicago boy who learned the ..different way.

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Jul 10th, 2018 11:58 AM   Edit   Profile  

Not sure how the TX law is worded, but if your weapon is truly concealed.....

I generally will not give my money to any business that puts up "we only allow victims" signs.

In KY open carry (no permit)and CC (permit required) are both legal. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen anyone open carrying, outside of hunting ect..., it has never caused anything more than a few raised eyebrows.

The no carry signs in KY carry no obligation to obey, however if your weapon is discovered and you are asked to leave, you must. If they just call police and do not ask you to leave the police will ask you to leave. If you do, no crime has been committed. It becomes "simple" trespass if you do not leave when asked.

The above was just a FYI for anyone traveling through, or visiting KY.

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Jul 10th, 2018 12:51 PM   Edit   Profile  

"The no carry signs in KY carry no obligation to obey, however if your weapon is discovered and you are asked to leave, you must. If they just call police and do not ask you to leave the police will ask you to leave. If you do, no crime has been committed. It becomes "simple" trespass if you do not leave when asked."

Same here in MA, but I take a little different tack with some of the "No Guns" businesses (which is pretty much anywhere here except gun shops).

It amuses me to walk through Whole Foods on a Sunday morning knowing that most of the people in there would fudge their Huggies if they knew they were three feet away from a loaded handgun.

While open carry is perfectly legal here (assuming you have a LTC), it is not done.

Open carry generally means you end up cuffed and face down in the dirt followed by a short stay as a guest of the local PD -- the common charge is disturbing the peace. And since the CoP decides who is "suitable" for a LTC, if you show up in his tank, you will most definitely lose your license.

Must not scare the sheeps.

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Jul 10th, 2018 12:59 PM   Edit   Profile  

Last Sunday I took my Grand kids to a Big Boy restaurant for the breakfast buffet. One guy was openly carrying a pistol. He walked through the buffet line a few times, no one freaked out. Must not have as many sheep here.

:)

I've seen this a few times over the years. The only time it might draw a police intervention is if you were downtown Louisville or Covington.

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Jul 10th, 2018 01:12 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Last Sunday I took my Grand kids to a Big Boy restaurant for the breakfast buffet. One guy was openly carrying a pistol. He walked through the buffet line a few times, no one freaked out. Must not have as many sheep here."

While driving home from South Carolina last summer, somewhere around Virginia (it was a LONg drive, I lost track), we were passed by a motorcyclist whose t-shirt was rippling in the breeze as they do.

Exposed was a small handgun neatly tucked into a holster in the back of his pants. My wife was a little freaked out by it, as its not something we tend to see in New York.

Me, it didn't phase me. Could've been a cop, a licensed carrier, an unlicensed carrier, a carrier who doesn't need a license (I have no idea what the laws are in Virginia, or if we were in fact IN Virginia), etc.

All I care is that he didn't pull it out and shoot me with it, the rest is his business.

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Jul 10th, 2018 01:19 PM   Edit   Profile  

If the Texas trespassing charge is just a misdemeanor then I would risk it, because concealed is concealed.

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Jul 10th, 2018 01:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Must not have as many sheep here."

Ya think? I'll bet we have a bunch more asses than you do too.

A few weeks ago, a school was put in lock down because a kid found a shell casing on a lawn across the street. As soon as I saw the picture of the case on the news I had a good idea what happened. It was a nickel coated fotay.

A couple days later, the guy who owned the property said that someone had hit a raccoon and it ended up on his lawn -- pretty much effed up but still kickin'. He called the cops and they showed up and put the animal down -- but didn't police their brass.

Kid finds it, panic ensues, call in the Bearcats.

Just another day here in the Gulag.

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