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Foggy1
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So, so you think you can tell?
Jul 22nd, 2018 11:05 AM   Edit   Profile  

Anyone else here think these pups are too bright and dare i say Shrill? I replaced the stock pups in my newer MIM standard strat, with two 69s and a SSL-5 in the bridge.

I'm not liking it at all, compared to my classic player with 57/62s. I'd like to try something different in the standard.

Thinking about trying the Fat 50s. Any thoughts?

I'm mostly into Rhythm / Chords / Clean

(This message was last edited by Foggy1 at 01:15 PM, Jul 22nd, 2018)

stratcowboy
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Jul 22nd, 2018 02:05 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have no experience with the CS 69s. But before you bail, perhaps try changing the tone circuit capacitor to a different value.

Foggy1
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Jul 22nd, 2018 02:10 PM   Edit   Profile  

Gotcha, but the other three guitars i have sound great. 57/62s Broadcaster and twisted tele and 57 classics.

The 69s are the only ones that don't sound right.

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Jul 22nd, 2018 03:22 PM   Edit   Profile  

I don’t have any experience with them either, but that sure doesn’t sound right. What pots and cap values are you using?

Foggy1
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Jul 22nd, 2018 04:09 PM   Edit   Profile  

Not sure Leftee, whatever came stock on a new MIM standard (2017)

Pinetree
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Jul 22nd, 2018 06:24 PM   Edit   Profile  

I couldn't be happier with mine.


Keeping them a good distance down away from the strings seems to help.



Experiment with the pots/caps as others have mentioned.



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Jul 22nd, 2018 09:22 PM   Edit   Profile  

The 69s are based on the late 60s pickups(obviously) which had less turns and were machine wound. Materials were a little different then but the 69s recreate the sound pretty well. Expect to change your amp settings as these are probably the lowest output pickups they make. That means very clear sounding. More highs. Etc.

I think they are darn great if you dial in their heights and tweak your amp.

Foggy1
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Jul 23rd, 2018 03:19 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks everyone, I've read a lot about the heights on these, maybe they're too close to the strings. Gives me something to do this morning.

Foggy1
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Jul 23rd, 2018 04:08 AM   Edit   Profile  

Can anyone tell me what the height should be from this chart? Are 69s considered vintage?



Bass Side Treble Side
Texas Specials 8/64" (3.2 mm) 6/64" (2.4 mm)
Vintage style 6/64" (2.4 mm) 5/64" (2 mm)
Noiseless™ Series 8/64" (3.2 mm) 6/64" (2.4 mm)
Standard Single-Coil 5/64" (2 mm) 4/64" (1.6 mm)
Humbuckers 4/64" (1.6 mm) 4/64" (1.6 mm)
Lace Sensors As close as desired (allowing for string vibration)

Mine were lower than these already, more like bass side 8/64s and treble side 7/64s

Fender Strat Setup Chart

(This message was last edited by Foggy1 at 06:15 AM, Jul 23rd, 2018)

Foggy1
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Jul 23rd, 2018 05:07 AM   Edit   Profile  

From what I've dug up so far, MIM standards supposedly come with 250K CTS pots and .022 caps. Not sure if they needed to be changed after replacing the ceramic mim pups for the CS 69s and the SSL-5 or not.

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Jul 23rd, 2018 06:46 AM   Edit   Profile  

250k is right.

I'd go to a .047uF cab, though. Even a .1uF if ya wanna get crazy.

I use a .1uF with my Fat '50s and it sounds glorious. With AlNiCo Strat pickups I never use less than a .047.

(This message was last edited by Leftee at 08:48 AM, Jul 23rd, 2018)

Foggy1
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Jul 23rd, 2018 07:09 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks Lefty/all... I just was able to try out my PUP height adjustment and it was much better, I believe they were too close. I copied the the measurements off of my other Strat pups that sounded really good and applied those to my standard and bingo, shrill is gone :)

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Jul 23rd, 2018 07:17 AM   Edit   Profile  

The tone cap will have an affect, as well. It will be a little more subtle. Even with the tone pot turned all the way up.

(This message was last edited by Leftee at 09:18 AM, Jul 23rd, 2018)

Foggy1
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Jul 23rd, 2018 07:21 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind, I usually have my tone knobs set around 7 on the Strats in the living room. Seems to be a sweet spot for me.

5 on the les paul.

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Jul 23rd, 2018 07:35 AM   Edit   Profile  


It's all subjective. (-;

Lindy Fralin explains tone caps. Cool video too.

celius

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Nov 19th, 2018 11:48 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have 3 strats and fixed the "problem" by having 69's in one, 57/62's in one, and TX Specials in the 3rd strat. Love all of these pups and it depends on what mood I am in as to which pups/guitar I pick.

With that being said, I love the neck pup on the 69's the most, the middle pup on the 62's, and the bridge on the Specials. However, if I could only have one of those strats/pups, I would go with the 69's...........Love them for clean tones, and mildly driven tones, and very subtle and responsive to pick attack; very versatile all the way around.

(This message was last edited by celius at 01:51 PM, Nov 19th, 2018)

Doc Sarvis
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Dec 17th, 2018 03:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

For Fender PUPs I like the CS54, 57/62, and Texas Specials. I've swapped them in and out over the years and these are my favorites.

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